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Old 04-02-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Not everyone works in the City. Why would someone working for Westinghouse in Cranberry want to live in Shadyside? It works both ways.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:35 PM
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no child left behind murdered our public school system for 8 whole years (Bush) i was in HS when that law was put into effect and i remember Teachers stressing about us passing those test than we where because their jobs were on the line! SAD
It sure was a dumb law. bush, is hard to even write on many levels.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:38 PM
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Boy, I've never gotten that myself. I lived out in Murrysville for most of the 00s and just hated it. You couldn't walk anywhere, there weren't any good places to eat and it took forever to drive anywhere to do anything. I gladly pay a little more in taxes just so I don't have to spend my entire life sitting in the car.

Obviously, many people disagree with me. I'm fine with that.
Most suburbs aren't set up for walking at all. I really dislike that. Look at McKnight Road. Imagine trying to walk around to the shops. Oh my, that would be fun. Sure is a gross looking place with tons of traffic and SUVs are the norm. Such a backwards place.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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Most suburbs aren't set up for walking at all. I really dislike that. Look at McKnight Road. Imagine trying to walk around to the shops. Oh my, that would be fun. Sure is a gross looking place with tons of traffic and SUVs are the norm. Such a backwards place.
What would be the alternative? The City just expands with residential streets?
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:43 PM
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What would be the alternative? The City just expands with residential streets?
Travel to Europe and discover the alternative. Walking trails everywhere. Nice little cafes even in the burbs. Oh they have suburbs too you know, but you can walk all over the place. Sidewalks are the norm. The US is a mess to walk around and there is a reason so many are fat in the US. People blame fast food or whatever, but what really it is the lifestyle most live. People never walk. My street is an easy walk to Waterworks and Aspinwall. We almost never see anyone walk there. Maybe two people out of the 40 families that could walk. On top of that people pick their kids up at the bus stop and drive them a block home. OH MY, the next generation is already lost. It is too funny to watch.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:48 PM
 
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OK, imagine no Parkway East or 279 North, the city encompasses a 25 mile radius that includes Monroeville and Cranberry, everyone works downtown, how long would the commute be?
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:48 PM
 
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What would be the alternative? The City just expands with residential streets?
Not sure I understand your point - do you mean City-with-a-big-C, City of Pittsburgh, or do you mean metro Pgh?

Assuming you mean the metro, I suppose the point of sidewalks is so people can walk on them, which means sidewalks are only useful where people walk. People walk for leisure, but mostly when they commute to jobs.

Calgary, AB is a mid-20th c. city built mostly around cars like Phoenix or Huston, but when they built their light-rail system they created a demand for shops, restaurants, etc along the rail corridors, which mostly run parallel to large avenues like McKnight.

So, taking Calgary as an example, one alternative to strip development like McKnight would be to narrow the lanes and run a light-rail line down the middle, with pedestrian overpasses to reach the retail/service biz either side. Seems to work there, despite the weather - should work here.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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The US is a mess to walk around and there is a reason so many are fat in the US. People blame fast food or whatever, but what really it is the lifestyle most live. People never walk.
Very true - I've never lost weight more quickly and painlessly, or been in better shape generally, than when I've lived in mass-transit cities (Toronto, London). You don't go to the gym and work out. You go for a pint after work, hop on the T, do some shopping, hop back on, head home and change, hop back on, meet friends for dinner, hop back on for home - you never notice the six blocks here, ten there, but it adds up quick.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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Not sure I understand your point - do you mean City-with-a-big-C, City of Pittsburgh, or do you mean metro Pgh?

My point is this: Not everyone can live in the city. I've been in business for, sad to say, 30 years and I only worked downtown for 5 months. All of my employers have been in the 'burbs. Some of us like living on a few wooded acres as opposed to a concrete jungle. Different strokes.
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Old 04-02-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Wilkinsburg
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Most suburbs aren't set up for walking at all. I really dislike that. Look at McKnight Road. Imagine trying to walk around to the shops. Oh my, that would be fun. Sure is a gross looking place with tons of traffic and SUVs are the norm. Such a backwards place.
My car broke down at work in Monroeville once and I walked 4 miles in a suit on the side of the Route 22 to the bus stop. That was the day I learned to appreciate sidewalks.
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