You think its bad for PAT now, it's about to get A LOT WORSE! (Pittsburgh: moving, train)

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by ML North

As has been discussed ad nauseam, Allegheny County has a net outflow for transportation funding, meaning it contributes more to than it receives from other counties.

I would still love to see a source for this. It certainly sounds plausible, but I'm curious just how bit the net outflow is.

[ML North]

Originally Posted by ferrarisnowday

I would still love to see a source for this. It certainly sounds plausible, but I'm curious just how bit the net outflow is.

This article, while certainly not comprehensive, has a decent explanation.

Allegheny's angling just for a fair share from state transit aid

And while I don't think it's necessarily a good argument for acquiring more funding, it certainly does prove that Allegheny County is not sponging from other counties (it implies the contrary, actually).

[UKyank]

PAT should just file for bankruptcy - even if the state has no political will to authorize it it would at least force them into a corner to explain why they would not authorize & would also further show that PAT is trying everything to reduce their costs.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by ML North

This article, while certainly not comprehensive, has a decent explanation.

Allegheny's angling just for a fair share from state transit aid

And while I don't think it's necessarily a good argument for acquiring more funding, it certainly does prove that Allegheny County is not sponging from other counties (it implies the contrary, actually).

Excellent, thank you!

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by UKyank

PAT should just file for bankruptcy - even if the state has no political will to authorize it it would at least force them into a corner to explain why they would not authorize & would also further show that PAT is trying everything to reduce their costs.

I'm not sure what you have in mind. PAT could file in bankruptcy court, but the court would just dismiss its filing for lack of authorization. The state would not actually have to do anything in response.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

I'm not sure what you have in mind. PAT could file in bankruptcy court, but the court would just dismiss its filing for lack of authorization. The state would not actually have to do anything in response.

It could work as a publicity stunt at least.

[Goinback2011]

I'm not anti-transit. I'm anti being ripped off by pensioners sitting on their asses at home at age 50.

I'm interested in your affiliations ML North and BrianTH. Are you or your relatives affiliated with the labor unions?

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by ferrarisnowday

It could work as a publicity stunt at least.

Maybe, but attorneys can face sanctions for doing things like that.

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

I'm not anti-transit. I'm anti being ripped off by pensioners sitting on their asses at home at age 50.

But again, cutting PAT's state funding for operations doesn't address that concern and if anything will be counterproductive.

I'm interested in your affiliations ML North and BrianTH. Are you or your relatives affiliated with the labor unions?

Nope. In fact my dad was management at a car company (although he was in research so didn't actually deal with the UAW).

But again, you seem not to be grasping that I am actually supporting the idea of PAT trimming its legacy benefit obligations, including through bankruptcy. I just understand that the state right now isn't on track to do that, and that cutting PAT's state funding for operations doesn't address that concern and if anything will be counterproductive.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

Maybe, but attorneys can face sanctions for doing things like that.

Then just vote to file for bankruptcy as Harrisburg did - something to give the idea some extra push at least