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Wow. There's no need to be rude about it. First you accused me of not having an imagination and now I'm very idiosyncratic. You didn't change my POV, so you attack me. Nice. I overlooked the first insult but enough already. Golly gee, excuse me for liking your city and finding it attractive.
I still deserve basic respect even if you disagree with me.
I apologize, I did not intend those to be personally insulting statements. My point is just that although individual tastes may well vary, there is pretty overwhelming evidence that most people prefer not to be around elevated or open-pit highways, and thus the City should plan accordingly. It is of course fine if you would personally prefer the highways to stay in plain view.
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Using this logic, you could also claim that the palm trees in the Embarcadero are eyesores because you never see people in Pittsburgh saying, "This is OK, but it would look so much nicer if we had palm trees."
OK, we don't need to go to San Francisco to make the same point. At any particular point in time if you compare the North Shore Riverfront Park (with no highway) to the riverfront areas along Downtown itself, you will find lots more people in the North Shore Riverfront Park. And in fact if you look just at the Downtown riverfront areas, you will typically find more people up along the boulevards than down along the highways.
So I think all this is pretty indicative of the fact that most people prefer not to be around highways. Again, that is important for planning purposes, but it doesn't mean someone who does enjoy being around highways is doing something wrong.
07-13-2011, 03:34 PM
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I had just always assumed the Emarcadero looked pretty much as it does today. I can't imagine San Fran cut off from the water by an elevated highway.
It was really a crazy era (that built all those city-center highways).
Hopefully some day they will say the same thing about Pittsburgh (that they couldn't imagine Downtown being entirely surrounded by highways).
07-13-2011, 03:36 PM
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Just curious if anyone else would miss that giant trestle if it came crashing down tomorrow?
I would. They are one of my favorite sites along that drive (aside, of course, from the Downtown view as you exit the tunnel).
07-14-2011, 06:27 AM
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Wow. There's no need to be rude about it. First you accused me of not having an imagination and now I'm very idiosyncratic. You didn't change my POV, so you attack me. Nice. I overlooked the first insult but enough already. Golly gee, excuse me for liking your city and finding it attractive.
I still deserve basic respect even if you disagree with me.
Well kiddies, I've reached the point of being offended and annoyed so I guess it's time to say adios before I say something I regret. See you guys on another thread.
Last time I checked, calling someone idiosyncratic is not an insult. Especially if it's true, considering I can count on one hand how many people I have ever heard liking elevated highway ramps. Lighten the heck up already. That's why this board is becoming trash, everyone gets offended so freaking easily.
07-14-2011, 06:35 AM
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Last time I checked, calling someone idiosyncratic is not an insult.
If anything, that would usually be a compliment coming from me.
07-14-2011, 06:39 AM
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How about the railroad trestles, both the big one at Carnegie and the two before the tunnels on the Parkway West? I can see how some people would think they're an eyesore, having not been painted for God knows how long, and now the Norfolk and Western Sign is missing a panel on the outbound side. I personally love them, and their current state makes me imagine the industrial era they were built to serve. Just curious if anyone else would miss that giant trestle if it came crashing down tomorrow?
Haha, yeah I like it. It makes me feel like I'm driving through a giant model train display.
07-14-2011, 07:54 AM
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Last time I checked, calling someone idiosyncratic is not an insult. Especially if it's true, considering I can count on one hand how many people I have ever heard liking elevated highway ramps. Lighten the heck up already. That's why this board is becoming trash, everyone gets offended so freaking easily.
Here's the deal. City-data is very strong in their policy that we are to discuss ideas but NOT each other. When I first heard this policy I thought the same sort of thing about "People should just lighten up." Now, after having been here a few years, I've really come to appreciate city-data's wisdom.
Once you cross the line into personal comments, even the mild ones, it stops being a fun thread and lightweight insults quickly lead to downright caustic remarks. I've learned the hard way that when it comes to personal comments about me, it pays to have a zero tolerance policy. Was it a mild insult? Sure, and like I said, I'll let one mild insult pass--it's when the personal comments about me start to accumulate (instead of comments about the idea we're discussing) that I feel we're heading down a slippery slope and it's time to speak up. Otherwise it becomes increasingly toxic and you have to hit the report button.
Anyway, enough about this. Let's get back to a fun thread where we were all sharing different ideas of what we considered eyesores. So what if some people have different ideas of what is and is not an eyesore? It's not like anything's going to be torn down as a result of this thread so I think we can all relax and be ok with different POVs.
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07-14-2011, 07:57 AM
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Haha, yeah I like it. It makes me feel like I'm driving through a giant model train display.
I love the trestles too. They have tons of character and it makes me feel like I'm going back in time when I drive under them. I guess I have some fascination with old railroad systems, I enjoy biking through the old tunnels on the Montour trail and just try to imagine what it was like back when the railroad was in use.
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Haha, yeah I like it. It makes me feel like I'm driving through a giant model train display.
That's how Pittsburgh and a few other nearby cities make me feel. I'm a model train enthusiast and love that feeling. BTW, I watched "Unstoppable" with a group of fellow model train builders and we had such a fun take on that movie. The cities of PA, WV, and Ohio are just so cool if you look at life from the eye of a model train enthusiast!
07-14-2011, 08:26 AM
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That's how Pittsburgh and a few other nearby cities make me feel. I'm a model train enthusiast and love that feeling. BTW, I watched "Unstoppable" with a group of fellow model train builders and we had such a fun take on that movie. The cities of PA, WV, and Ohio are just so cool if you look at life from the eye of a model train enthusiast!
Just watched Unstoppable myself a few weeks ago. If you've never looked up the real story that "inspired" this movie, you might be surprised at how much of it essentially really happened, in Ohio, in 2001.
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People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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