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Old 09-17-2011, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There's a lot of debate about how to rank universities and colleges. If you read the methodology section, US News claims to rigorously measure academic quality and excellence. In order to compare a research university to a liberal arts school with no graduate programs it's hard to imagine how the analysis could include research considerations such as winning a Nobel Prize.

Honestly, something as simple as there being more Penn State graduates out there could influence the rankings. There is a survey and reputation component, branding intangibles. If you want to look at research prowess, there are a number of reputable reports:

http://mup.asu.edu/research2010.pdf

Penn State and Pitt both score well. At least, they are well above CU-Boulder. You can also review rankings of the best research cities worldwide:

Where the World's Brains Are - Richard Florida - Business - The Atlantic

The U.S. is home to four of the top five centers: Boston-Cambridge in first place, followed by Los Angeles, New York City, and San Francisco. Other leading U.S. research centers among the top 25 include: Chicago (6th), Durham-Chapel Hill (11th), Pittsburgh (13th), Trenton-Central New Jersey (14th), New Haven (17th), Ithaca (18th), San Diego (19th), Philadelphia (20th), Seattle (21st), Madison (22nd), and Baltimore (23rd).

University of Wisconsin and University of Washington really stand out by getting Madison and Seattle on the map. Neither State College nor Denver/Boulder make the cut.
US News doesn't directly compare liberal arts colleges and research universities. It compares "apples to apples". Now, I'm not a huge fan of theirs, but like any other ranking service, they get it right part of the time.

And what is the Atlantic's methodology? Trenton? Ithaca? New Haven? Really? (Especially Ithaca)

I agree about the U of WI, but UW did not put Seattle "on the map", Boeing did.

Your disdain for CU-Boulder is well known.
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Wilkinsburg
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"Who's your daddy?" What are you kidding me?

They do frequently receive high rankings, however: The Douchiest Colleges in America.
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Wilkinsburg
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And what is the Atlantic's methodology? Trenton? Ithaca? New Haven? Really? (Especially Ithaca)
New Haven -- Yale
Trenton -- Princeton
Ithaca -- Cornell
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Leesburg
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US News doesn't directly compare liberal arts colleges and research universities. It compares "apples to apples". Now, I'm not a huge fan of theirs, but like any other ranking service, they get it right part of the time.

And what is the Atlantic's methodology? Trenton? Ithaca? New Haven? Really? (Especially Ithaca)

I agree about the U of WI, but UW did not put Seattle "on the map", Boeing did.

Your disdain for CU-Boulder is well known.
I'm using rankings, not my opinion. I don't have disdain for CU-Boulder. The Atlantic used a different set of research university rankings:

ARWU 2010

Cornell is ranked 12th. That explains Ithaca. Yale is 11th. Boeing has nothing to with the ranking. University of Washington is ranked 16th. Wisconsin is ranked 17th. CU Boulder scores much better (better than Penn State) in these rankings coming in at 32. Pitt and CMU are even further down.

Concerning Greater Denver, there is a reason NASA is investing big in Loveland. Not counting all the government labs ... CSU, CU-Boulder, and the School of Mines are an impressive troika for renewable energy research. (See the ConocoPhillips campus in Louisville). It's a cool innovation cluster and Boulder is a hotbed of entrepreneurial activity. Pittsburgh should be so lucky.

But concerning undergraduate education, CU-Boulder is okay. Not great. Not bad. Just okay. The strength of the university is in the graduate programs and research. As I've posted before, it is world class in a large number of disciplines.
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Old 09-17-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh (via Chicago, via Pittsburgh)
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when it comes to the medical professions..

Pitt>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Penn state

I don't really care about the other stuff. Argue which engineering school is better all you want.
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Old 09-17-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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New Haven -- Yale
Trenton -- Princeton
Ithaca -- Cornell
I am well aware of these universities. But why not

Champaign --- University of Illinois
Ann Arbor -- University of Michigan
And many others.

Cornell has "almost" 20,000 students wth about 7000 grad students, far smaller than Illiniois (31,000 undergraduate + 10,000 graduates [who do most of the research] ) or Michigan with 27,000 undergrads and 15,000 grad students. How did the Atlantic pick these cities?

Graduate College Homepage | Graduate College at Illinois
College Search - University of Michigan - U of M - At a Glance
College Search - Cornell University - At a Glance

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when it comes to the medical professions..

Pitt>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Penn state

I don't really care about the other stuff. Argue which engineering school is better all you want.
I agree about the health professions. In regards to engineering, I do have some "skin in the game". My spouse has worked in engineering and physics for 40 years; my future son-in-law is an engineer; my other daughter's boyfriend is an engineer; most of my friend's husbands as well as some of my friends are engineers; my father was an engineer.
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Old 09-17-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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I am well aware of these universities. But why not

Champaign --- University of Illinois
Ann Arbor -- University of Michigan
And many others.
I'm sure those were pretty high on the list too.

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How did the Atlantic pick these cities?
Apparently they just added up the ARWU scores of the universities in the various metros.
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Old 09-17-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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"Who's your daddy?" What are you kidding me?
Ummm... That should be...

What are you kidding me... Daddy
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Old 09-17-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: North Oakland
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You can also review rankings of the best research cities worldwide:

Where the World's Brains Are - Richard Florida - Business - The Atlantic

The U.S. is home to four of the top five centers: Boston-Cambridge in first place, followed by Los Angeles, New York City, and San Francisco. Other leading U.S. research centers among the top 25 include: Chicago (6th), Durham-Chapel Hill (11th), Pittsburgh (13th)
Richard Florida is the guy who decided Pittsburgh was the 38th Gayest City in America back in the early '00s.
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Old 09-17-2011, 04:52 PM
 
Location: North Oakland
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"Who's your daddy?" What are you kidding me?

They do frequently receive high rankings, however: The Douchiest Colleges in America.
If all the douches at Yale look like that douche, sign me up. http://www.gq.com/entertainment/humo...a-2011#slide=8
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