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Old 09-17-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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Notice that tied for 13th is the same as tied for 11th

25th Engineering

20th Chemistry

23rd Physics

Not to mention the most recruited school in the nation!
etc, etc, etc
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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I would like for someone to please explain how Penn State always gets so highly ranked. Until recently, they had no Nobel Prize winning faculty.

"Most recruited" is a bit of an exaggeration, if you read the article.
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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I would like for someone to please explain how Penn State always gets so highly ranked.
Thats easy...

It's because, top to bottom, PSU is better in an overwhelming majority of disciplines.

BIG 10 and the CIC. The premier academic conference in the nation... 8 BILLION in research... Better than the Ivy league... You dont have to like it, but these are all facts...

In case you didnt know... We Are Penn State!!!
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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The Big 10 is an athletic conference which Penn State just recently joined. It has nothing to do with PSU's academic prowess.

Do you have a link for this $8 billion?
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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The Big 10 is an athletic conference which Penn State just recently joined. It has nothing to do with PSU's academic prowess.
Not true... CIC is BIG 10 + University Chicago... Easily verifiable on google.
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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Not true... CIC is BIG 10 + University Chicago... Easily verifiable on google.
I didn't say anything about CIC. Do you mean this?

The Council of Independent Colleges

Founded in 1956, the Council of Independent Colleges (CIC) is an association of independent colleges and universities working together to:

support college and university leadership,
advance institutional excellence, and
enhance private higher education's contributions to society

CIC is the major national service organization for all small and mid-sized, independent, liberal arts colleges and universities in the U.S.


Doesn't seem to include Penn State or any of the Big 10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIC

CIC may refer to

Long list, none of which refer to Penn State.
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:11 AM
 
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I would like for someone to please explain how Penn State always gets so highly ranked. Until recently, they had no Nobel Prize winning faculty.

"Most recruited" is a bit of an exaggeration, if you read the article.
Yes, Penn State is an excellent university, but I have to believe that its name as a well known brand also helps it in any ranking (which mainly comes from its football program that is consistently in the national spotlight - say what you will about sports, but the national exposure they can bring is a boon to universities).....a big example of this is Dickinson Law School.... in early 2000's Penn State purchased it and the name was changed to Penn State University Dickinson School of Law and majically jumped from not even being ranked to being the 60th best school in the nation....yes it is possible that drastic changes were made there, but I think the name change did more to drive the rank up so quickly in such a short period of time.
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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Committee on Institutional Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

6 billion... Sorry
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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OK, it's this CIC:

Big Ten Expansion and the CIC: Are the Academic and Research Benefits of Joining the Big Ten Overblown? - Maize n Brew

So while it's nice to say that expansion isn't totally about football, the reality is that athletics remain the driving force behind conference expansion and any academic/research benefits will remain intangible, indirect and hard to quantify.
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Old 09-17-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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There's a lot of debate about how to rank universities and colleges. If you read the methodology section, US News claims to rigorously measure academic quality and excellence. In order to compare a research university to a liberal arts school with no graduate programs it's hard to imagine how the analysis could include research considerations such as winning a Nobel Prize.

Honestly, something as simple as there being more Penn State graduates out there could influence the rankings. There is a survey and reputation component, branding intangibles. If you want to look at research prowess, there are a number of reputable reports:

http://mup.asu.edu/research2010.pdf

Penn State and Pitt both score well. At least, they are well above CU-Boulder. You can also review rankings of the best research cities worldwide:

Where the World's Brains Are - Richard Florida - Business - The Atlantic

The U.S. is home to four of the top five centers: Boston-Cambridge in first place, followed by Los Angeles, New York City, and San Francisco. Other leading U.S. research centers among the top 25 include: Chicago (6th), Durham-Chapel Hill (11th), Pittsburgh (13th), Trenton-Central New Jersey (14th), New Haven (17th), Ithaca (18th), San Diego (19th), Philadelphia (20th), Seattle (21st), Madison (22nd), and Baltimore (23rd).

University of Wisconsin and University of Washington really stand out by getting Madison and Seattle on the map. Neither State College nor Denver/Boulder make the cut.
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