Boy Mayor is a real scumbag (Pittsburgh, Fox Chapel: chapel, housing, campus)

[gg]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

Personally, I don't think it particular matters that Promise involves children--after all, Meadows dumped him too.

The fact is that Harris gets positions like that because he has before now been a uncontroversial and popular figure, and these organizations are making use of that. There is nothing wrong with that--marketing matters--but Harris should understand that when he injects himself into the middle of a scandal of this magnitude, he undermines the value he is supposed to be bringing to these entities.

Maybe he just believes in innocent until proven guilty and he respects Joe as a leader, man and a coach? If there is a cover up, that is different, but at the moment we have allegations to fry someone which is having a domino effect across all of Penn State. I have to say, if some kid ever wanted to fry an adult it sure would be easy. All they need to do is accuse and the person is toast. Look at the way everyone is acting before a trial date. Guilty or not, this guy is done and so is anyone that has ever known him. Interesting legal system. One has to wonder if this type of thing will keep going. All it takes is one former student that doesn't' like a teacher or social worker or coach from years past that wants money or to get back at someone and it is as easy as pie. No proof needed. Not saying this is the case at Penn State, but the reaction is pretty wild. Sure is emotional driven with no facts presented as of yet.

[groar]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

I have to say, if some kid ever wanted to fry an adult it sure would be easy. All they need to do is accuse and the person is toast. Look at the way everyone is acting before a trial date. Guilty or not, this guy is done and so is anyone that has ever known him. Interesting legal system.

except this is NOT just one kid. EIGHT victims have testified before the grand jury, and it's hard to keep track but i believe the total number who have come forward is about TWENTY, with incidents possibly dating back to the 70s and eyewitness accounts from at least 2 adults who don't seem to know each other. *that* is why people are "acting this way before the trial date". it is virtually impossible that all of these people are just making everything up, so it is perfectly logical to conclude that the guy is guilty as hell. the justice system is obligated to presume innocence but in the face of the facts, it is bordering on delusional for a private individual to do so unless they are actually on the jury.

i do agree with aqua teen carl that public officials have more of an obligation to wait for the trial before taking any actions relating to the situation, but i also agree with brian that *other* public officials need to think before making controversial statements to the press and realize that doing so could affect their position.

[gg]

Originally Posted by groar

except this is NOT just one kid. EIGHT victims have testified before the grand jury, and it's hard to keep track but i believe the total number who have come forward is about TWENTY, with incidents possibly dating back to the 70s and eyewitness accounts from at least 2 adults who don't seem to know each other. *that* is why people are "acting this way before the trial date". it is virtually impossible that all of these people are just making everything up, so it is perfectly logical to conclude that the guy is guilty as hell.

The topic here is about Pittsburgh's boy mayor. He is an elected official. Elected officials should live by the system in place, which is not what he is doing. He is part of the lynch mob that is driven by emotion only and no facts. A higher standard than the run of the mill joe like yourself should apply.

[groar]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

The topic here is about Pittsburgh's boy mayor. He is an elected official. Elected officials should live by the system in place, which is not what he is doing. He is part of the lynch mob that is driven by emotion only and no facts. A higher standard than the run of the mill joe like yourself should apply.

you didn't say "the mayor", you said "everyone". and you didn't say a thing about public officials being held to a higher standard until carl did just now. you just latched onto it because, yeah, he's right.

i am done arguing with you, all you do is evade, change your argument so you can see yourself as "winning", insult people, and twist things around.

[Lobick]

Franco served on the Board at the pleasure of the Mayor. Presumably Franco, as a political appointee, knew that when he took the position. Ravenstahl needed absolutely no reason to remove him. None of this nonsense about the legal system applies.

Defenders of enablers of pedophilia should not be surprised that their views are unpopular and repercussions may follow.

[BettyTheHun]

I found this "non-story" about Franco's statue in the airport to be quite amusing:

No plans to remove 'Immaculate Reception' statue from airport - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

[Love2Golf09]

Originally Posted by Lobick

Franco served on the Board at the pleasure of the Mayor. Presumably Franco, as a political appointee, knew that when he took the position. Ravenstahl needed absolutely no reason to remove him. None of this nonsense about the legal system applies.

Defenders of enablers of pedophilia should not be surprised that their views are unpopular and repercussions may follow.

How far are you willing to take this? What if someone on the board says they still support Franco? Should supporters of defenders of enablers of pedophilia be allowed to work with children? Apparently, it doesn't matter that JoePa did not commit a crime and is a cooperating witness for the prosecution. Doesn't matter that he told his superiors immediately of the allegations. He's an enabler of pedophilia in your mind and anyone that supports him must be equally sick and disturbed. What a sad country we live in, where people let TMZ decide court cases for them.

[gg]

Originally Posted by Lobick

Franco served on the Board at the pleasure of the Mayor. Presumably Franco, as a political appointee, knew that when he took the position. Ravenstahl needed absolutely no reason to remove him. None of this nonsense about the legal system applies.

Defenders of enablers of pedophilia should not be surprised that their views are unpopular and repercussions may follow.

Nicely stated. The whole thing is a joke!

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

While it may not matter to you Brian, many people would have been pissed that here you have Franco the head of an organization to help Children's Education, publicly supporting (like a campaign pledge) a man involved in one of the largest Child Molestation charges the state of Pennsylvania has ever seen.

Just to be clear, I recognize that may be particularly galling to people. What I was trying to say, though, was that any organization trying to trade on Harris's public persona may have had a similar reaction.

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Maybe he just believes in innocent until proven guilty and he respects Joe as a leader, man and a coach?

Harris harshly criticized the Board of Trustees for firing Paterno, and as I previously noted they are under no obligation to apply a criminal justice standard to their employment decisions.

If personal loyalty led him to not condemn Paterno, OK, maybe. In that case, though, he could have remained silent. But going after the Board in the press is a whole different matter.

All it takes is one former student . . .

If you haven't read the Grand Jury report you shouldn't be opining on what it took to get to this point.