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Old 12-15-2011, 07:48 AM
 
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The way I interpret the rules, if you and a car opposite arrive at a stop at the same time, you can both go straight at the same time, but if you want to turn left, you should yield to them first.

However, in a scenario in which cars are also arriving at the stop to your right, I don't think you need to yield to the car opposite when it is your turn, but instead you can take your turn and go left.

I'm not sure the Manual is 100% clear on this issue--indeed, it seems to basically punt on it with the "watching for possible turns" clause--but I think the way I am suggesting makes the most sense.

By the way, this is a sort of lesson in combinetrics and rules--as soon as you have a few different variables, you end up having a lot of different scenarios, and it can be difficult writing precise rules for every single scenario.
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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The way I interpret the rules, if you and a car opposite arrive at a stop at the same time, you can both go straight at the same time, but if you want to turn left, you should yield to them first.

However, in a scenario in which cars are also arriving at the stop to your right, I don't think you need to yield to the car opposite when it is your turn, but instead you can take your turn and go left.

I'm not sure the Manual is 100% clear on this issue--indeed, it seems to basically punt on it with the "watching for possible turns" clause--but I think the way I am suggesting makes the most sense.

By the way, this is a sort of lesson in combinetrics and rules--as soon as you have a few different variables, you end up having a lot of different scenarios, and it can be difficult writing precise rules for every single scenario.
Couldn't agree more with the complexity of defining rules.

As far as what you're saying above regarding taking turns one-by-one where there are four cars stopped at an intersection, have you ever seen this actually happen like this? What I mostly encounter is the two opposing cars taking their turns simultaneously. Then, when someone is turning, it turns into a "Who's on First" routine.
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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As far as what you're saying above regarding taking turns one-by-one where there are four cars stopped at an intersection, have you ever seen this actually happen like this? What I mostly encounter is the two opposing cars taking their turns simultaneously. Then, when someone is turning, it turns into a "Who's on First" routine.
What I remember seeing happen in these cases is something like this. The car on your right takes its turn. You start to go. If the car opposite sees you are coming straight and wants to go straight too, they may then hit the gas and come through as well (given the rules I wouldn't necessarily say they are jumping their turn because you are shielding them, but it sort of looks like that). If instead you are turning (could be left or right), they may instead wait for the car on their right to go before they go. If there are enough people turning, or one of the directions doesn't have cars coming through it, it becomes fairly clear you are working around clockwise, as opposed to alternating between pairs of directions.

I don't think I have often seen a situation in which the driver opposite will insist on going first if you are turning left, but honestly I haven't been paying enough attention to state that with confidence. In fact I imagine it may well depend on the nature of the traffic flow at that particular intersection.
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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What I remember seeing happen in these cases is something like this. The car on your right takes its turn. You start to go. If the car opposite sees you are coming straight and wants to go straight too, they may then hit the gas and come through as well (given the rules I wouldn't necessarily say they are jumping their turn because you are shielding them, but it sort of looks like that). If instead you are turning (could be left or right), they may instead wait for the car on their right to go before they go. If there are enough people turning, or one of the directions doesn't have cars coming through it, it becomes fairly clear you are working around clockwise, as opposed to alternating between pairs of directions.

I don't think I have often seen a situation in which the driver opposite will insist on going first if you are turning left, but honestly I haven't been paying enough attention to state that with confidence. In fact I imagine it may well depend on the nature of the traffic flow at that particular intersection.
Now that you mention it, that is just about exactly what I notice happening. Once again, I love these forums for the ability to tap the collective imagination of so many people. I honestly can say I now have a little better understanding of how an intersection should be negotiated.

Thanks for contributing!
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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Perhaps people need a refresher course on running red lights. That is a big problem and is going to kill someone either in another car or a pedestrian. They don't seem to care that it's illegal at all, or they think that the law doesn't apply to them. Just last night I was waiting to turn left onto a street, out in the intersection, and two cars went through a definite red light and wouldn't let me turn.
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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Thanks for contributing!
You are welcome, and right back at you--I haven't really thought through these issues before, and I think it may be helpful.
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Old 12-15-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Don't worry, my luck is to get hit, not hit others.
Same here. I was forced to resign from one of my two jobs because I was viewed as "too much of a liability" to be driving their vehicles when THREE separate motorists hit ME in the span of five weeks. I'm still waiting to get my car fixed after it was hit while parked on Brereton Street over a month ago by one of the Hill District's finest (sigh).
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Old 12-15-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Four-way stop intersections are pretty dangerous in Pittsburgh because it seems like half of those who approach them intend to turn but do NOT signal! LOL!
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Old 03-31-2024, 01:15 AM
 
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Now im confused because i always thought and was taught left turners yeild to people going straight but i saw a question online and answered it, it was wrong because it said ”by law. Who has the right away ... No one” tricksters!!!
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