01-12-2012, 11:58 AM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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By the way, "The decision angered several parents" is not the same as "The decision angered the vast majority of parents".
Even so:
"The parents of the victim said they took the matter to police only after getting no satisfaction from school officials, who they say stonewalled the investigation."
Allegations that school officials dragged their feet and/or were "stonewalling" are not ones to be taken lightly.
"Another woman who wouldn't identify herself said parents who were speaking out did not represent the consensus of the school's football boosters organization. She said many parents were not saying anything on the advice of their attorneys."
Why did "many parents" have attorneys?
"Since the incident became public, the mother said, both her husband and son have been threatened. She said her son has received at least one threatening e-mail and her husband has received several phone calls from parents accusing him of making up the story."
Being "threatened" by overzealous football maniacs for coming forward after being the victim of sexual abuse? Sound familiar?
Maybe we just read this article differently.
01-12-2012, 12:26 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Another thread highjacked.
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By "best" I mean strongly orthodox in terms of the Faith conservative code of conduct low incidence of violence/bullying
The OP specifically asked for OPINIONS regarding the above bolded, italicized, and underlined topics in preparation to potentially enroll their child in one of Pittsburgh's Catholic secondary schools.
If you want to be angry at anyone be angry at the person who wrote that article that jay5835 linked if you feel as if it totally misrepresented the situation vs. how you personally knew it to have happened. The victim's family's allegations that school officials "stonewalled" the investigation, that others from the school threatened them to the point where they withdrew their son from the school, and the booster club president's own wording of "many parents" remaining silent because they had been retaining attorneys once the football season was canceled would all be of relevant concern if I was worried about a school's reputation for "low incidence of violence/bullying", "conservative code of conduct", and "strongly orthodox in terms of the Faith."
I fail to see why you deem this RELEVANT discussion to be "off-topic" and then proceed to single me out for personal criticisms. I obviously hit a nerve here with you, so if you would like to offer up your own rebuttal PRAISING Central Catholic's handling of this situation, then by all means feel free to do so.
01-12-2012, 12:33 PM
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Allegations that school officials dragged their feet and/or were "stonewalling" are not ones to be taken lightly.
Absolutely, but that is not the same thing as saying a majority of parents actually supported stonewalling these parents.
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Why did "many parents" have attorneys?
Recall that some boys had been arrested, and others were apparently witnesses.
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Being "threatened" by overzealous football maniacs for coming forward after being the victim of sexual abuse? Sound familiar?
Again, though, that doesn't mean a majority, or for that matter even more than one, parent supported such threats.
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Maybe we just read this article differently.
I guess, but I don't see anything in the article to support your assertions about what a majority of parents at the time thought.
01-12-2012, 12:40 PM
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By the way, I'm by no means suggesting anyone should be OK with such accusations, and not to be trite, but if accusations of institutional stonewalling when it came to sexual misconduct were an automatic dealbreaker for someone, I'm not sure such a person would be insistent on Catholic institutions in the first place.
01-12-2012, 12:49 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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By the way, I'm by no means suggesting anyone should be OK with such accusations, and not to be trite, but if accusations of institutional stonewalling when it came to sexual misconduct were an automatic dealbreaker for someone, I'm not sure such a person would be insistent on Catholic institutions in the first place.
I'm Protestant, and for purposes of full disclosure sexual abuse of children (and the simultaneous stonewalling/cover-ups) occurs in our faction of Christianity as well. For some reason, though, Roman Catholics seem to be the ones always singled out by the media, which I don't think is particularly fair.
I'm a man of principle. With the exception of my Chick-Fil-A addiction (as jay5835 always chastises me for) I boycott any business or institution that has knowingly supported, harbored, or otherwise pardoned those who are harmful to society and/or those that condone bigoted ideological beliefs.
It's been a decade since this fiasco occurred at Central Catholic. Perhaps students there are now more inclined, overall, to report wrongdoing to authority figures? Perhaps the adminstration, which was accused of "stonewalling", has been replaced? Perhaps parents are no longer as obsessed with athletics? Perhaps the "blame the victim" mentality that was pervasive there in 2002 to the point where the victim had to transfer schools has evaporated in 2012? I don't know the answers to these inquiries. The best course of action if the OP was seriously considering Central Catholic would be to tour the facility, have one-on-one discussions with faculty, administrators, and staff, and speak candidly to other parents who currently have children enrolled. Additionally, if the 2002 incident was as concerning to the OP as it was to me I'd ask specifically about it and to know what steps the school has taken since then to prevent something similar from occurring in the future. If I wasn't satisfied that disciplinary policies were tightened since then I wouldn't enroll my child there.
Apparently these opinions anger Lobick, but so be it. Perhaps he can share his own experiences with Central Catholic that would be contrary to my own sentiments?
01-12-2012, 12:54 PM
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P.S. I see the OP has also made an inquiry about Front Royal, VA. As someone who used to live in Northern Virginia I'd personally recommend Winchester, VA over Front Royal, VA if you decide to relocate to that area instead of Pittsburgh.
01-12-2012, 01:14 PM
Location: Mexican War Streets
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Contrary to what either of you two say in regards to me being "idiotic" or "ignorant", a school that botched handling a very serious bullying/criminal incident is worthy of condemnation, not admiration. I will not resort to the same juvenile name-calling that you two have tossed in my direction, so I'm bowing out of this thead and will permit the OP to decide for himself if the article's content crosses his own individual "line" of how a bullying situation should have been handled.
I did not call you a "name".....again, this is the nerve you've struck, perpetual victimhood. You're "ignorant" about Central Catholic and I now know ignorant about ignorance.
Clearly, the institution is pro-bullying:
http://pittcentralcatholic.org/uploa...cy-Updated.pdf
01-12-2012, 01:14 PM
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I boycott any business or institution that has knowingly supported, harbored, or otherwise pardoned those who are harmful to society and/or those that condone bigoted ideological beliefs.
And my point is that applying that standard strictly, you couldn't be a Catholic.
Necessarily, then, any person who is still a Catholic has to have a somewhat different view on that subject--not that they have to actually condone the relevant behavior, but they cannot possibly believe a permanent boycott of the relevant institution is the only acceptable response.
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Perhaps parents are no longer as obsessed with athletics?
Again, you leapt from "some parents" to a "vast majority of parents", but if you are insisting there can't even be SOME parents like that in any school would would consider, then the reality any parent has quickly grasped is that there will always be some parents in any decent-sized school that have screwed up priorities, whether it is about athletics or any number of other possible things.
Your far better point is about the school officials--they have the responsibility to sort through these issues and do what is right. But if you are looking for a school with absolutely no screwed-up parents, you will likely be looking forever.
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Perhaps the "blame the victim" mentality that was pervasive there in 2002
Again, I see no grounds in that article for your assertion such a mentality was "pervasive".
Note it may well have been--I have no idea. But you shouldn't be asserting such a thing as a fact without some sort of justification for doing so.
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The best course of action if the OP was seriously considering Central Catholic would be to tour the facility, have one-on-one discussions with faculty, administrators, and staff, and speak candidly to other parents who currently have children enrolled. Additionally, if the 2002 incident was as concerning to the OP as it was to me I'd ask specifically about it and to know what steps the school has taken since then to prevent something similar from occurring in the future. If I wasn't satisfied that disciplinary policies were tightened since then I wouldn't enroll my child there.
That seems reasonable.
01-12-2012, 01:25 PM
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Vincentian has the best rep among the Catholics I know, but that one is coed, and I can't really speak to too many details. It's in the north suburbs. I've heard mainly in terms of academics, but that doesn't mean they don't also have the other standards in mind when they speak highly of it.
01-12-2012, 01:30 PM
Location: Mexican War Streets
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Vincentian has the best rep among the Catholics I know, but that one is coed, and I can't really speak to too many details. It's in the north suburbs. I've heard mainly in terms of academics, but that doesn't mean they don't also have the other standards in mind when they speak highly of it.
Don't forget, Vincentian has Fedko now:
Sportscaster John Fedko named Vincentian Academy president
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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