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Old 01-18-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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The big difference between here & all the places that have a true 24/7 area is a constant stream of tourists to patronize those areas for entertainment at all hours which we lack.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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Eventually there may be no transit at all if these cuts and politics keep up.
It will probably not come to that. And this might even help.

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You need hospitals in other areas besides one central location.
No, I'm not talking about having just one hospital. Just like having an IHOP doesn't mean all the others close down.

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Eat n Park is open 24 hours. Would you like to see one ENP in one area or multiple locations? If you have these services centralized in one area, that would survive. What about the other neighborhoods that have no such service? I would think they would die. Look at Braddock. That area was barely surviving even more when Braddock Hospital closed. Now that it's closed, the y have nothing.
Sorry, but you don't have a clue what I am talking about. It doesn't imply closing other locations and centralizing. Yes put an EnP and an IHOP in the 24/7 District. And the others can stay open too.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:02 PM
 
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Are you saying bring all 24/7 businesses to one area? Maybe I'm missing the point, but if someone wants a bite to eat late at night, they have to drive (since there won't be bus service) to one spot? I would think these type of businesses shouldn't be limited to just one area.
Not all 24/7 businesses, but a representation of businesses that typically are open 24/7. An area with businesses open will inspire other businesses to open nearby to serve the people who frequent and work in this area. That's why Primantis was open in the strip---because there were hungry truck drivers to serve food. There are people who work weird shifts and have nowhere to go during their "awake" time because everything is closed, and the few places open are all spread out. A 24/7 area would have these places all in one place, a one stop experience. Buses aren't necessary for this to work.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:04 PM
 
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The big difference between here & all the places that have a true 24/7 area is a constant stream of tourists to patronize those areas for entertainment at all hours which we lack.
That's why I thought the strip district would be good as it is near the convention center. But with a 24/7 District, I thought Pittsburgh could "cheat it" by having a concentration of 24/7 services and business rather than spreading out the concept across the city.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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You need hospitals in other areas besides one central location. Eat n Park is open 24 hours. Would you like to see one ENP in one area or multiple locations? If you have these services centralized in one area, that would survive.
Nobody is saying to close all of the hospitals. LOL We're just saying to start this effort near a hospital that is already open 24/7. Nobody is saying that ENP should close the other restaurants. We're saying that since ENP is typically open 24/7, ENP would be a perfect business to encourage opening a location in this 24/7 vision.

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What about the other neighborhoods that have no such service? I would think they would die. Look at Braddock. That area was barely surviving even more when Braddock Hospital closed. Now that it's closed, the y have nothing.
That's all irrelevant.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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Sorry, but you don't have a clue what I am talking about. It doesn't imply closing other locations and centralizing. Yes put an EnP and an IHOP in the 24/7 District. And the others can stay open too.
You're right, I didn't have a clue. But then you replied to my other post and explained it. Now I understand. I still don't think it will work without proper transit service.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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even for a district you need 24/7 public transit serving that district....and as stated PAT is cutting service not expanding, so even a 24/7 is nothing more than a pipe dream at this point.

I think Central East Liberty would be the perfect catalyst for such a plan....but again 24/7 public transit would be needed.
I'm not sure if it needs public transport but it would definitely help. But if so, I'd prefer commuter rail as it can draw people in from across the county as well as the city. But late at night, the roads should be fairly clear to get there. The Strip District is close to expressway access.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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I really don't understand the proposed mechanism.

Start with the Casino. It exists already!

Now put police and fire stations near it. 24/7 district? Not really. A library? No, that wouldn't do it either.

To really have a 24/7 district, you need a bunch of non-governmental "anchors": restaurants, bars, theaters, clubs, and so on. But you can't force them to cluster around the Casino, and why aren't they already if it would be good for business?

In short, I don't think you can manufacture demand for a 24/7 district just by co-locating a few 24/7 government outposts, and I do question whether there is demand for such a thing.

That said, here is a simple proposal: eliminate the state's "last call" laws. If there is truly demand for a 24/7 district, I bet one would then form somewhere:

Pennsylvania Liquor License Company
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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even for a district you need 24/7 public transit serving that district....and as stated PAT is cutting service not expanding, so even a 24/7 is nothing more than a pipe dream at this point.

I think Central East Liberty would be the perfect catalyst for such a plan....but again 24/7 public transit would be needed.
But East Liberty doesn't have a hospital. It would be better to pick a neighborhood that already has a hospital.

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The big difference between here & all the places that have a true 24/7 area is a constant stream of tourists to patronize those areas for entertainment at all hours which we lack.
I disagree. The residents of NYC utilize the 24/7 stores and restaurants.

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But with a 24/7 District, I thought Pittsburgh could "cheat it" by having a concentration of 24/7 services and business rather than spreading out the concept across the city.
That's the only way it would work.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I'm not sure if it needs public transport but it would definitely help. But if so, I'd prefer commuter rail as it can draw people in from across the county as well as the city. But late at night, the roads should be fairly clear to get there. The Strip District is close to expressway access.
Many late night night workers (especially in the health care field) use public transportation, especially in a centrallized location like the city.
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