Joe Paterno loses his halo. (Pittsburgh, State College: gated, pros and cons, litigation)

[new-era]

If you did your research an independent artist put it on after his death. Scandal or not PSU is still smoking Pitt on the recruiting trail and Psu isn't nearly done wait till Obriens offense takes off and it's an exciting brand of football. Scandals don't keep big programs down ask Bama.

[Q-tip motha]

Originally Posted by new-era

If you did your research an independent artist put it on after his death. Scandal or not PSU is still smoking Pitt on the recruiting trail and Psu isn't nearly done wait till Obriens offense takes off and it's an exciting brand of football. Scandals don't keep big programs down ask Bama.

Bear Bryant didn't cover for an assistant who raped kids did he? Then it isn't a fair comparison.


Whether or not the Penn State football program is down is irrelevant, and your mere focus on that is evidence of the cult of perverted priorities in State College.

[hinsey86]

Originally Posted by Q-tip motha

Bear Bryant didn't cover for an assistant who raped kids did he? Then it isn't a fair comparison.


Whether or not the Penn State football program is down is irrelevant, and your mere focus on that is evidence of the cult of perverted priorities in State College.

ITA...my very thoughts when I read the post.

[SolitaryThrush]

Yes, the inclusion of a ribbon is quite insulting to the victims and to the people who actually work toward recognizing and stopping child and sex abuse. I'm not sure what else the artist could or would do . . . painting over him would be just as bad. I dunno, maybe paint him looking in the other direction?

I am not an NCAA expert, so I'll leave it to them to decide if there is the jurisdiction to apply the death penalty, but if I had a vote I'd close the program down for a while and fumigate it.

People talk about punishing innocent players who had nothing to do with the scandal and cover-up . . . but the thing with "nationalism" you were talking about on page 3 is that the line between innocent and guilty isn't clear. That's true in countries that bulked up militarily and attacked others, and that's true of the cults of personality we build around celebrities and celebrity institutions. There are the policymakers who, well, make policy, and then there are the masses who go along with it, supporting it either vocally or implicitly. The "big four" deserve the blame they are receiving in the media, and I'm sure more details will emerge as criminal trials against the surviving three go forward. However, it is very convenient to blame these four for a culture that grew up over decades at Penn State, and exists really at universities all across the country. I won't suggest there are sex abuse scandals hiding at other schools, but it's naive to pretend that abuses of power don't exist in places where the athletic departments wield an inordinate amount of influence. And it's naive to pretend that sports fans of other colleges or other teams are any less obsessed, or don't care more about a winning team than about a winning academic experience. PSU isn't alone there.

Giving the death penalty to the program will put players on the sideline, but their "suffering" by not being able to play a game and attend classes twice a month is nothing compared to the sexual abuse, the cover-up, and the abuse of power at the program for decades.

About the death penalty, though, I read something interesting I think on Deadsin. The author didn't like the idea of the death penalty because it would give PSU and their supporters the idea of a clean slate when the football program takes the field again. As if two or three years off suddenly atones for the wrongs in the program and administration. In two or three years it'd be nothing but wall to wall stories about rebirth and rejuvanation, and since Americans tend to have short memories about these things, you'll have a whole new boatload of PSU fans who will welcome it.

[Goinback2011]

Heard today:

Did you hear, they've decided what to do about the Paterno Statue.

No what?

They're gonna turn it to look the other way.

[gg]

I feel for the students at Penn State. This is no doubt a horrible distraction and will no doubt have a very negative effect on all the student body. I would recommend a transfer if I had a child there. That is a lot of money to spend with the circus going on and this will go on for many many years to come. Why deal with it if you are a student? Transfer.

Also, imagine telling someone, "I went to Penn State", right now and in years to come. It isn't going to be the same. Best to get out now.

[SteelCityRising]

You know what boggles my mind? There are now Penn State students camping out and "guarding" the Joe Paterno statue in case the administration decides to remove it. For all the talk about the scandal giving the school's reputation a huge hit the students themselves aren't doing their collective intellect any favors.

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

You know what boggles my mind? There are now Penn State students camping out and "guarding" the Joe Paterno statue in case the administration decides to remove it. For all the talk about the scandal giving the school's reputation a huge hit the students themselves aren't doing their collective intellect any favors.

Take pictures of all of them before the statue is removed, and if they get violent, then send the pictures to the press. Ensure that they'll be unemployable even with a college degree.

[Pitt Chick]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

Heard today:

Did you hear, they've decided what to do about the Paterno Statue.

No what?

They're gonna turn it to look the other way.

In the version I heard, the last line is:

They're gonna cover it up.

[gg]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

You know what boggles my mind? There are now Penn State students camping out and "guarding" the Joe Paterno statue in case the administration decides to remove it. For all the talk about the scandal giving the school's reputation a huge hit the students themselves aren't doing their collective intellect any favors.

Last I checked people are innocent until proven guilty. What happened to that old idea? Just because he is accused, doesn't mean he is guilty. Of course he isn't hear defending himself, because he is dead and I really have no opinion on his guilt because it isn't my place. We are only listening to hyped up media. From the people that I know that played football at Penn State, they thought of him as a good hearted person that cared about his team on and off the field. On a really sad note, I feel really bad for the current freshmen and other current football players at Penn State. Maybe they will be allowed to transfer under special circumstances. Don't know?

NCAA should allow Penn State players to transfer without restrictions, an advocacy group says - Yahoo! Sports