08-27-2012, 07:24 AM
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(Pittsburgh arguably does mostly have "bad" schools, but the crime rate isn't all that bad here)
yeah, moving here from nyc (and growing up in ct, what's up fellow nutmegger!), i have to laugh a bit at the areas people here consider "ghetto" or "dangerous". certainly there's crime, and there are some pretty sketchy areas, it's a city. but there is no comparison between the threshold for considering a place a scary neighborhood in new york (or in smaller new england cities like bridgeport, waterbury, providence, etc) and here.
and i'm talking about the views of people i know in both places, not just the often out of date hysterics that you find on c-d with some regularity.
08-27-2012, 07:36 AM
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Hi,
We live in Pittsburgh (suburb) and have lived here about 5 years. "America's Best Kept Secret" <--- Not sure about that one. I would say NO!!! Or how about according to whom!!!
Pros of living in Pittsburgh or surrounding communities/burbs
- Housing market is affordable..very nice houses for under $250,000 if you have more to spend you could afford a mini mansion of sorts.
- Cost of living is less here than other major cites.
- Winters are mild compared to other Midwestern cities
- Some of the architecture is great, many, many interesting bridges etc.
- Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh
- There is an area here were the view is breath-taking however, the homes are run down. The area is called Mount Washington and if the city would invest in it, then this area could be really nice.
- Some of the suburbs are only 30 to 45 minutes away from the downtown area.
Depending on what time you leave the commute really isn't the worse I have seen and we have lived in almost every major city.
- Some of the burbs have working farms, so if that's your thing you'll love it here. You can actually see horses and cows on the farm land as you drive down main roadways.
Cons of living in Pittsburgh and or surrounding communities/burbs
- You have to live away from the city in the suburbs to get away from crime ( but that's most cities)
- You have to live in suburbs to find great schools for your kids ( again that is most cities)
- You have to live in burbs to find GREAT, affordable and nice homes.
- The city and especially the suburbs lacks diversity.
- The city is not cosmopolitan like L.A., N.Y., Chicago or The D.C. Metro Area.
- People are friendly up to a point. Most of the people in the Pittsburgh and suburbs are very click-ish and most have lived in these areas forever. So they are not very outgoing in the way of welcoming new comers. There are not may Asians or Latino's here.
- People here are very much into there sports teams which is fantastic but they really don't have much else going on here. There is a small cultural following here with theater and such but it is very small.
- There isn't much to do here if you are not a super sports fan. Because after visiting all of the museums, the zoo etc., and such there is really nothing to do but eat. There are a lot of over weight people here and they do not seem to mind being over weight.
- The summer weather is fine not too bad as far as heat goes, but it's usually overcast or cloudy, and not many people venture out of there homes in the burbs. The streets are quite and dull!!!
- Some say the weather quality is very bad.
- There is no underground subway system. Buses do run in some areas but that is very limited.
- There are not many sidewalks in the burbs, making cycling or just walking on the side of the road risky behavior
When we moved here (it was work related), people actually laughed at us and said, "People don't move to Pittsburgh they move away from it". I thought they were being mean and insensitive but as it has turned out, they were right. Over half of Pittsburgh's population is over 55 years old so that should really tell you something.
Unless you are a Republican, white, uncultured (meaning you really don't need to have theater, ballet, opera, nice restaurants, cafe's bookshops, a plethora of different kinds of friends from different back grounds and social statuses). Also unless you are happy living in communities were everyone thinks the same and if they don't they are too afraid of being different to say otherwise, you will not be happy here. If you are young, adventurous, happy and a go-getter this is really not the place for you.
If you don't mind living in areas where people don't really venture out of there own communities (so when you ask a person who has probably lived in the area for 50 years for directions they are literally clueless to give them to you because they rarely venture out of their little neighborhoods. People don't cross bridges here, literally to go across the bridge to another area. Sad but actually quite true.
Now to be fair there are areas like Bloomfield (little Italy), where you might find 2 restaurants that serve good food. But it's like three block long, that's it!!! And how man times are you expected to travel there for only 2 places to choose from. Also there is Schiller Park next to the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Melon which has it's own flavor, (college students) And it's in Oakland which is about a mile long and has some really interesting homes if you follow the path up near Carnegie University. The homes are more than 30 to 40 years old and mostly occupied with middle to upper middle class people who send there kids to great Jewish schools or private schools. Also there is the water front (which can be dangerous after hours), Homestead, Shadyside (which is near the 1 of only 2 Whole Foods in the entire Pittsburgh area). There is also Squirrel Hill, Oakland and the Strip District which has cool restaurants, farmers markets/flea markets and such but if you have elementary age children you will need to send them to private schools because the inner city schools are simply a joke when it comes to academics. On the scale of 0 to 100% Pittsburgh inner city schools rank somewhere around 25% to 37% in math and reading, that's deplorable!!! But these neighborhoods I just mentioned are more diverse, more interesting and fun to visit but they are small, usually disserted after the evening hours some of them are NOT SAFE after dark and far from the nicer areas (burbs).
Just my two sense.
Good luck.
Your incredibly asinine review of Bloomfield just shows us who were are dealing with here.
But I forgot, you traveled all rounds the country!! Me, I never went past Monroeville, so I will take your word you urban traveling genius!
There are so many people out there that don't form intelligent opinions on cities, architecture, urban history and layouts. They just blabber ignorant bs on what is suppose to be meant as cool from the masses. (Typical Austin is awesome, Pittsburgh is full of old people BS). You can always tell these types, as they are never very bright.
Anyways, Pittsburgh is now inline with the rest of the nation in age of people. Don't make yourself look so ignorant and stupid.
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08-27-2012, 07:42 AM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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yeah, moving here from nyc (and growing up in ct, what's up fellow nutmegger!), i have to laugh a bit at the areas people here consider "ghetto" or "dangerous". certainly there's crime, and there are some pretty sketchy areas, it's a city. but there is no comparison between the threshold for considering a place a scary neighborhood in new york (or in smaller new england cities like bridgeport, waterbury, providence, etc) and here.
and i'm talking about the views of people i know in both places, not just the often out of date hysterics that you find on c-d with some regularity.
Yeah, I grew up immediately north of the BPT, and my mother lived in the (non sketchy) North End of Bridgeport after I finished high school but before she retired. I spent a year living in New Haven. I've also lived in DC and Detroit. There is no comparison in terms of what's a bad neighborhood here and elsewhere in the country.
Parts of the Hill and Homewood can be a bit disturbing (although they reminded me more of backwoods West Virginia than a real ghetto), but I thought it was laughable when I first moved here that Penn Avenue in Garfield was considered bad, considering I walked back home from shows at Garfield Artworks after midnight, and there were always lots of non-sketchy people (white and black) on the streets.
08-27-2012, 07:57 AM
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It seems I hit on some nerves because people are coming out of the wood work to defend this city, (otherwise who cares and why are you on this forum) You already live here, you don't need to be convinced it's fantastic.
I'm here because I wanted to read what others thought of another city that we are thinking of relocating to, and decided to see what people thought of Pittsburgh. Truth is I do not care for the city, but I'm happy for you that you love it.
WOW!!! Go Pittsburgh!! Go Steelers!!! Go Penguins!!! Go Pirates!!!!!
Thanks for your post.
First, you are the one coming out of the woodwork. You have 12 posts all just in this thread. So you come out of the woodwork to express asinine opinions on Pittsburgh that are not even true. Such as a hurting theater and arts scene. Pittsburgh does very well compared to other mid-sized cities in this aspect.
People are going to like where they are from and take pride in their city. This is the same for almost every city. You come on here like a troll trying to rile people up by expressing pure stupidity.
If you don't care for the city why are you here? You live in the suburbs and paint a brush of a city you obviously don't even know anything about. Again, pure stupidity.
08-27-2012, 08:53 AM
Location: Washington County, PA
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Your incredibly asinine review of Bloomfield just shows us who were are dealing with here.
But I forgot, you traveled all rounds the country!! Me, I never went past Monroeville, so I will take your word you urban traveling genius!
There are so many people out there that don't form intelligent opinions on cities, architecture, urban history and layouts. They just blabber ignorant bs on what is suppose to be meant as cool from the masses. (Typical Austin is awesome, Pittsburgh is full of old people BS). You can always tell these types, as they are never very bright.
Anyways, Pittsburgh is now inline with the rest of the nation in age of people. Don't make yourself look so ignorant and stupid.
Couldn't have said it any better. There are always going to be ignorant people that know very little of a city and bash it because they have some silly vendetta against it. Trick is not to feed it and fight with them though.
08-27-2012, 04:17 PM
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Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)