Driver slashes cyclist's throat in South Side attack (Pittsburgh, Allentown: buy, taxi)

[tclifton]

Originally Posted by CaptainPittsburgh

I see these bicycle hooligans with their tattoos and tiny hats just blowing through the stop signs all the time, everyday of my life! It's like they want to get stabbed! Look, I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm just saying, they want to get stabbed! Maybe they deserve it; maybe they don't. I'm not getting into that. I'm just saying...

That's a bit of an extreme view. I don't think that anybody wants to get stabbed. Who would want that??

[julian17033]

Last year I was driving through center city Allentown on a one way stopped at a light.
There was a trashed out, lowered ghetto Honda at the light on my left up by one car at the front.
They were yelling obscenities at a guy who was riding an upper scale Bianchi.
The cyclist wasn't dressed in riding gear but in his office apparel and wearing a helmet.
The men in the car were threatening to take is " Whitey Cracker bike " .
The cyclist yelled a few things back and then started to ride off.
The men in the car followed him.
We continued down the street while the cyclist and the men in the car turned down a side street.

It is not unreasonable to believe that inner city residents don't mix well with office workers and hipsters on expensive bicycles.

Yes, I'm saying that this incident in Pittsburgh could have escalated from a traffic issue to one of anger and jealousy because " whitey " cut off the wrong car full of garbage.

Somehow I don't think this would have happened if it was someone living in the " hood " riding a Huffy.

[groar]

Originally Posted by tclifton

No real reason? You're the one making the leap that by simply pointing out that some cyclists abhor the behavior of a particular group of cyclists somehow means that stabbing is condoned.

why bring it up in THIS THREAD? oh please.

Originally Posted by tclifton

I sympathize with you there. I find it equally bizzare that whenever anything bad happens to a person on a bike, there are always people who scramble to point out that some other people who drive cars speed and do dumb things. The implication, although people rarely admit it, is that this person must have been doing something dumb too.

where has this happened?

when james price was killed, and witnesses reported that the driver was going 60mph down penn?

when anthony green was killed, and the driver didn't have a license and plowed into a telephone pole?

when david wood was hit by someone who was speeding and running into things, drove almost a mile and then crashed?

when someone jumped out of their car and stabbed someone else, possibly because they had to apply their brakes unexpectedly?

i think people had pretty good reasons to think those motorists were doing something dumb. another thing that is pretty unquestionably dumb: hitting a human being and driving away. other than that, i've only seen the general behavior of drivers come up *in response to* the inevitable complaints about cyclists breaking the law. and i mean, we are talking about mostly hit and run cases here. when someone punches a little kid, it's natural to complain about their actions. it's not natural to say "well some toddlers i've seen can be really annoying. not condoning punching kids, but here's an article about how annoying toddlers are and how it makes people mad at other unrelated toddlers."

and really, you could tone down the patronizing tone a bit mr. kaufman. it's almost as if you WANT to get people angry at you. hm.

[tclifton]

Originally Posted by groar

why bring it up in THIS THREAD? oh please.

Because we're talking about cyclists and cars sharing a road. Have you not been following?

Originally Posted by groar

where has this happened?
i think people had pretty good reasons to think those motorists were doing something dumb. another thing that is pretty unquestionably dumb: hitting a human being and driving away. other than that, i've only seen the general behavior of drivers come up *in response to* the inevitable complaints about cyclists breaking the law.

It's happened in this forum, lots and lots and lots of times.

You're deflecting here. Again, you're the one making those leaps. Nobody is condoning violent behavior. However, I do think it's reasonable to note that confrontations can sometimes arise because of the fault and/or attitude of the cyclist.

Originally Posted by groar

and really, you could tone down the patronizing tone a bit mr. kaufman. it's almost as if you WANT to get people angry at you. hm.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but ok.

[irishvan]

Originally Posted by CaptainPittsburgh

I see these bicycle hooligans with their tattoos and tiny hats just blowing through the stop signs all the time, everyday of my life! It's like they want to get stabbed! Look, I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm just saying, they want to get stabbed! Maybe they deserve it; maybe they don't. I'm not getting into that. I'm just saying...

Troll

[groar]

i assumed you named yourself after famous irl troll tony clifton. and if you think you're not being patronizing.... ok.

However, I do think it's reasonable to note that confrontations can sometimes arise because of the fault and/or attitude of the cyclist.

it's reasonable in many contexts, but not in this one. the question of whether cyclists ride like jerks (yes some of them do) is not relevant here. there is nothing that this guy could have done with his bike short of attacking someone with it that should inspire that kind of violent response. the reaction was insane and even if cyclists all rode absolutely perfectly (the way cars apparently do) it would not stop things like this from happening.

edit: and i'm dropping out of the weird "who complains more reasonably about which vehicle" part of this argument cause it's silly.

[airwave09]

Originally Posted by CaptainPittsburgh

I see these bicycle hooligans with their tattoos and tiny hats just blowing through the stop signs all the time, everyday of my life! It's like they want to get stabbed! Look, I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm just saying, they want to get stabbed! Maybe they deserve it; maybe they don't. I'm not getting into that. I'm just saying...

So they deserve to be stabbed because they ran a stop sign? Ok here's a real question: Are you ******* stupid?

[groar]

Originally Posted by airwave09

So they deserve to be stabbed because they ran a stop sign? Here's a real question: Are you ******* stupid?

he's clearly being sarcastic.

[groar]

Originally Posted by julian17033

Last year I was driving through center city Allentown on a one way stopped at a light.
There was a trashed out, lowered ghetto Honda at the light on my left up by one car at the front.
They were yelling obscenities at a guy who was riding an upper scale Bianchi.
The cyclist wasn't dressed in riding gear but in his office apparel and wearing a helmet.
The men in the car were threatening to take is " Whitey Cracker bike " .
The cyclist yelled a few things back and then started to ride off.
The men in the car followed him.
We continued down the street while the cyclist and the men in the car turned down a side street.

It is not unreasonable to believe that inner city residents don't mix well with office workers and hipsters on expensive bicycles.

Yes, I'm saying that this incident in Pittsburgh could have escalated from a traffic issue to one of anger and jealousy because " whitey " cut off the wrong car full of garbage.

Somehow I don't think this would have happened if it was someone living in the " hood " riding a Huffy.

some pretty huge assumptions being made here to prop up your creepy racial/class views.

[toosie]

Originally Posted by irishvan

Troll

Pretty sure he was being ironic/sarcastic