Gang/Group Activity Map of Allegheny County (from a non authority) (Pittsburgh: unemployment rate, neighborhoods)
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This forum is interesting, since I always wondered how people who did not grow up in these neighborhoods view the people that do. I grew up on the hill (74-08) and was almost robbed once and he was not from the hill and he got beat up pretty badly. My experiences of the Hill were quite different than what I'm reading here. the gangs that many of you are referring to were nothing but group of hustlers that made up a name to sound "hard". A perfect example would be the Whiteside Rd projects (torn down and rebuilt into nice housing) which everyone called "Weedside Rd" because it was easy to find weed there among other things. The Hill as a whole was considered to be a free enterprise neighborhood meaning you could set up shop pretty much anywhere (proably except Uptown and Sugartop later on) and no one would care. In the 80's the city was broken down into specific colors mainly based on the schools that the kids went to and natural neighborhood rivalries. Half of the kids on the Hill went to Schenley (red/black) which they fueled with Hazelwood which took the colors of blue (crips). East Hills kids at one time were bused to Schenley (bloods). Homewood mostly went to Westinghouse (blue/crips) which was the predominate black school in the city which was Schenley's natural rival. Lincoln Larimer which was the LAW was black and I was not familiar with them except that they did not care for anyone. Northside which had numerous small and large gangs fought each other Perry (blue) and Oliver were also rivals. When Woodland Hills took in the kids from the surrounding schools they also form loose knit gangs.
I have butted head with you a few times, but to be quite honest, I think you are hitting the nail on the head here. Been around all these areas and I don't think there is much "gang" anything around here. Sure the street fights and a few drug turf crap stuff, but NOTHING like real gang LA crap. I don't think there is any gang that is strong at all. Heck most HS football teams could take them out.
Good post. I think you need to post more about these areas. Not much really going on out there gang related at all.
I have butted head with you a few times, but to be quite honest, I think you are hitting the nail on the head here. Been around all these areas and I don't think there is much "gang" anything around here. Sure the street fights and a few drug turf crap stuff, but NOTHING like real gang LA crap. I don't think there is any gang that is strong at all. Heck most HS football teams could take them out.
Good post. I think you need to post more about these areas. Not much really going on out there gang related at all.
Thanks, I can only speak for most of the Hill since I grew up there and frequent it often, but after visiting L.A I realize Pittsburgh does not have a gang probelm compared to other large cities. Pittsburgh may have more of a job problem then anything.
I have butted head with you a few times, but to be quite honest, I think you are hitting the nail on the head here. Been around all these areas and I don't think there is much "gang" anything around here. Sure the street fights and a few drug turf crap stuff, but NOTHING like real gang LA crap. I don't think there is any gang that is strong at all. Heck most HS football teams could take them out.
Good post. I think you need to post more about these areas. Not much really going on out there gang related at all.
First off you can not have a very relevant comparison of gang activity when you compare Pittsburgh to L.A. IMO. For one LA is much bigger, therefore its hoods are bigger, plus there are more of them... Although another thing yal need to keep in mind is that LA is in it's 5th era of Blood, Crip, MS-13, & Mexican Mafia gang life styles (meaning they've been around for over four decades) Same with Chi-Town's old original gangs such as the: Black Gangsta Disciples, Manic Latin Disiples, Folks, Mickey Cobraz, Vice Lords, Black P.Stone Rangers, Latin Kings, Peoples, etc... Now if you find another similar sized City that had the Bloods and the Crips introduced from 88-93 then it can be a relevant comparison to how bad Pittsburgh's gang issue is.
Pittsburgh does has a gang problem and we've had it for a number of years... 40% of the area's killings are gang related, and most victims are young black men who've been arrested before, and were the intended victims due to some sort of relation... Just look at all the shootings that have happened in Homewood, Hazelwood, Wilkinsburg, McKeesport, and Homestead this summer. And you say "Not much really going on out there gang related at all" ...
If you're not/were never a youth from the hood or someone who has connections to the hood you would not know whats going on in the streets of Allegheny County in 2012. It has always been very deep seeded. For example there are neighborhood holidays like Silkyy Man Day in the Northside Projects or E-Skee Day in the East Hills Apartments celebrating the lives of dead gang bangers. And if you grow up in Upper Manchester,and are known as someone from Manchester then you can not go to Northview, the Charles Street Valley or California-Kirkbride without trouble. If you group up in Homewood you can not go in to most areas majority black areas with out trouble. And there are too many hypothetical examples of neighborhood gang rivalries to continue... If you are an inner city black boy from a rough gang affiliated neighborhood besides the Hill or the Greenway Park Apartments and if you don't at least befriend the some of similar aged gang members in your neighborhood you have no security in your own neighborhood! Then when gangsters from other neighborhoods try to fight you, then you might get beat up because you're from a hood that you don't even claim (in the gang sense).
You want an example of this ride on the 74D on a summer day and see with your own eyes the relation between street gangs from rival neighborhoods, and/or the relationship between inner city kids who are not gang affiliated vs gang affiliated kids from a rival hood.
Though I'll admit when you do compare it to LA, Pittsburgh's problems are trivial! I understand that gangs claim turf in the areas highlighted in the map, but only control a couple of hang outs and dope spots. Also in LA Bloods beef with Crips no matter what & they play a gangster game of cat and mouse where they "duck" in each other's hoods. In Pittsburgh Bloods don't like Crips no matter what, but only feud with each other if beef is established with in the two sets (in LA Crip vs Crip relation is this way), otherwise they'll just keep the distance from each other. Unlike in LA Pittsburgh gangs don't "duck" in each other's hoods very often. Another difference is that feuds aren't 24/7, but they often get reactivated. I know we're not as bad as LA or the current murder capitol of North America aka Chicago, but over here street gangs are not a joke.
I'd like to see a HS Football team go to Northview Heights any day. Now the indictments of 26 leaders of the Souljaz of Everybody Crips did not seriously suppress the numbers of gang members in at least Northview. My take on it is that because some of those guys where killaz and ran the gang with relatively organised, strict discipline some people didn't want to join... Now that they're gone it seems like lots of kids are getting jumped in.
Yet numbers don't matter the gangs wouldn't have to fight the football teams because they all have a cache of automatic firearms which they've been using to shoot at each other for a long time.
Last edited by Uptown kid; 10-03-2012 at 06:45 PM..
Here's a list of consistannt violent fueds that often get rekindled: Smash Gang Darccide Crips VS. South Zhoove Crips UpTown North View Heights/Fineview Crips/1728 Down Bottom Brighton Place Crips VS. Manchester Original Gangstaz
UpTown North View Heights/Fineview Crips/1728 Down Bottom Brighton Place Crips VS. UpTop Snapville Wilson Avenue Gangstaz
UpTown North View Heights/Fineview Crips/1728 Down Bottom Brighton Place Crips VS. HoodTown Mafia
North Charles Street Crips VS. Manchester Original Gangstaz
North Charles Street Crips VS. Perrysville & Charles Street Valley Tre Eights
North Charles Street Crips VS. UpTop Snapville Wilson Avenue Gangstaz
Manchester Original Gangstaz VS. HoodTown Mafia
UpTop Snapville Wilson Avenue Gangstaz VS. Perrysville & Charles Street Valley Tre Eights
UpTop Snapville Wilson Avenue Gangstaz VS. HoodTown Mafia
Greenway Block Killaz VS. 26 Smell Block Gang
UpTown Homewood Crips VS. 211 Dallas-Inwood Boyz
UpTown Homewood Crips VS. 581 Hilltop Mohler Project Crips
DownTown Homewood Crips VS. UpTown Homewood Crips
DownTown Homewood Crips VS. 211 Dallas-Inwood Boyz
DownTown Homewood Crips VS. 581 Hilltop Mohler Project Crips
Lincoln Avenue Crips VS. UpTown Homewood Crips
Lincoln Avenue Crips VS. DownTown Homewood Crips
Lincoln Avenue Crips VS. 211 Dallas-Inwood Boyz
Lincoln Avenue Crips VS. 581 Hilltop Molher Project Crips
East Hills Bloods VS. UpTown Homewood Crips
East Hills Bloods VS. DownTown Homewood Crips
East Hills Bloods VS. 211 Dallas-Inwood Boyz
East Hills Bloods VS. 581 Hilltop Molher Project Crips
Larimer Avenue Hoods VS. Lincoln Ave Crips
Larimer Avenue Hoods VS. Garfield Bloods
UpTop Trillside Hoods VS. UpTop Trillside Hoods
J-Town Hoods VS. UpTop Trillside Hoods
J-Town Hoods VS. East Hills Bloods
J-Town Hoods VS. DownTown Homewood Crips
J-Town Hoods VS. UpTown Homewood Crips
UpTop Westside Homestead Crips VS. Homestead Eastcide Mafia Crips
UpTop Westside Homestead Crips VS. Hazelwood Crips
The Hill District's Bloods VS. UpTown Homewood Crips
The Hill District's Bloods VS. DownTown Homewood Crips
The Hill District's Bloods VS. 211 Dallas-Inwood Boyz
Guttacide Braddocc Crips VS. UpTop Trillside Hoods
UpTown 1200 Blocc Kirk Patricc Avenue Bradocc Crips VS. Guttacide Braddocc Crips
Whit Life 145 Trap Boy Crips VS. UpTop Westcide Homestead Crips
Duke City Crips VS. Duke City Bloods
McKee City Bloods VS. Crawford Village Crips
Last edited by Uptown kid; 10-03-2012 at 07:03 PM..
Not buying it uptown. Just because there are drug turf wars doesn't mean there are organized "gangs" in our region. I think you have more wannabe's than anything around there. Pittsburgh people won't put up with that crap. Even really organized gangs like the Pagan's are pretty much underground and their numbers are down. I still wouldn't mess with that bunch, but they are a much sharper and organized unit than what you are describing. Pittsburgh has about nothing to worry about gang wise. Just lots of wannabe types.
Not buying it uptown. Just because there are drug turf wars doesn't mean there are organized "gangs" in our region. I think you have more wannabe's than anything around there. Pittsburgh people won't put up with that crap. Even really organized gangs like the Pagan's are pretty much underground and their numbers are down. I still wouldn't mess with that bunch, but they are a much sharper and organized unit than what you are describing. Pittsburgh has about nothing to worry about gang wise. Just lots of wannabe types.
True there aren't any well-organized gangs like what you would see on Gangland, there is not a central authority of the Independent gangs “who rep the black flag” or Bloods like there is for the: Gangster Disciples, Brim Blood Association, United Blood Nation, La Gran Famila, La Gran Raza or Mexican Mafia in other cities, although there is a basic chain of commands & a set of rules that all street gangs fallow so it’s not a total melee like you might think. Though I beg to differ that most are not wannabe's!!!
True the Pittsburgh Metro in general doesn't anything to worry about street gangs, but neighborhoods like: Homewood, most of Hazelwood, most of the Hill, most Lincoln, Larimer, the East Hills Apartments, Knoxville, Beltzhoover, Greenway Park Apartments, the McKees Rocks Projects, most of the westside of Sheraden, the Northview Heights Projects, Allegheny Dwellings Projects, the Three Rivers Manor Apartments, the Charles Street Valley, parts of Perry Hilltop, Central McKeesport, most of Duquesne, Homestead, Braddock, part of North Braddock, the Hawkins Village Projects, the Mon View Heights Projects, the Soltis Drive Century Town-Homes in Clairton, parts of Aliquippa, Downtown New Kensington and Central Wilkinsburg do... Pittsburgh’s gangs may not be like the ones you see in gangland, but they are real (this disbelief/denial of street gangs type of thinking put the police on their ass’s in the early 90’s).
True there aren't any well-organized gangs like what you would see on Gangland, there is not a central authority of the Independent gangs “who rep the black flag” or Bloods like there is for the: Gangster Disciples, Brim Blood Association, United Blood Nation, La Gran Famila, La Gran Raza or Mexican Mafia in other cities, although there is a basic chain of commands & a set of rules that all street gangs fallow so it’s not a total melee like you might think. Though I beg to differ that most are not wannabe's!!!
True the Pittsburgh Metro in general doesn't anything to worry about street gangs, but neighborhoods like: Homewood, most of Hazelwood, most of the Hill, most Lincoln, Larimer, the East Hills Apartments, Knoxville, Beltzhoover, Greenway Park Apartments, the McKees Rocks Projects, most of the westside of Sheraden, the Northview Heights Projects, Allegheny Dwellings Projects, the Three Rivers Manor Apartments, the Charles Street Valley, parts of Perry Hilltop, Central McKeesport, most of Duquesne, Homestead, Braddock, part of North Braddock, the Hawkins Village Projects, the Mon View Heights Projects, the Soltis Drive Century Town-Homes in Clairton, parts of Aliquippa, Downtown New Kensington and Central Wilkinsburg do... Pittsburgh’s gangs may not be like the ones you see in gangland, but they are real (this disbelief/denial of street gangs type of thinking put the police on their ass’s in the early 90’s).
I cannot argue with you regrading the other neighborhoods but the only thing that I have seen that even remotely resembles a gang is those kids on sugartop and they are not a factor in controlling anything. The Hill has been fighting against Homewood since I move here in 74'. I can remember in the early 80s when 2001 the club was open and Northside was fighting against everyone else in the city.
Look what happened when that nutcase with a gun ran around Pitt. Then Pitt hires 20 MORE officers? Goodness!!! They will use whatever they can to get the edge. So 20 officers times how much for salary per officer? $30K? $40K? No problem. Where do we sign the check? How much more tax? All a joke, but people fall for it. Easy sale. Fear is as easy as it gets. Look at the GOP. That runs on fear alone. Whatever.
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