06-12-2013, 09:09 AM
Location: Pittsburgh
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what a joke - those homes in barely in east liberty, that's practically highland park
You've moved the goalposts out to the parking lot. Those are houses at middle class and high prices in East Liberty which is what you mentioned when you asked for "one example."
06-12-2013, 09:31 AM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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AFAIK, those apartments which were built on the north side of Penn a few years back are currently the only residential property within Penn Circle. Back when the 2010 census was done, the only inhabited places otherwise were the churches and one block of Broad Street (maybe a few people living above storefronts there).
06-12-2013, 09:43 AM
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The area between Penn Circle and the Boulevard is mixed, but I don't think (having driven around there) that the biggest residential portion (west of the Home Depot) has houses in any rattier condition/any less white people on the street than the area north of the Boulevard.
Sooooooo true. That area despite being safer, is currently largely undesireable for middle class... Houses are in rattier condition and there are even wealthier & better kept streets in the north of East Liberty Boulevard. Still improvement is improvement...
06-12-2013, 11:20 AM
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AFAIK, those apartments which were built on the north side of Penn a few years back are currently the only residential property within Penn Circle. Back when the 2010 census was done, the only inhabited places otherwise were the churches and one block of Broad Street (maybe a few people living above storefronts there).
that is one example
what's revealing about that project is the total lack of commercial tenants on the ground floor
i see the ace hotel had its zoning hearing last week - when is that project supposed to start?
06-12-2013, 11:52 AM
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CFP
what a joke - those homes in barely in east liberty, that's practically highland park
Well, I toured
this place when it was finished, and I know that it sold for list price. It's definitely in East Liberty.
06-12-2013, 12:37 PM
Location: O'Hara Twp.
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Stijl Council
Well, I toured
this place when it was finished, and I know that it sold for list price. It's definitely in East Liberty.
According to the county it sold for just under 300,000.
Anyway want to guess what the house is assessed at? And the homeowner appealed before coming to his or her senses.
The house next door mentioned in the article sold for just over 300,000 in 2012. Anyone want to guess what that one is assessed for?
You can get an awesome house for around 300,000 in East Liberty. Might not be the greatest block now but it is changing very quickly.
06-12-2013, 01:35 PM
Location: 15206
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robrobrob
According to the county it sold for just under 300,000.
That house in the p-g article is currently building a 15-20k detatched garage.
Behind it a lot on n Euclid and it is under contract and there are plans for a 500k new construction home to be built.
Yes, almost highland park but it is east lib.
Inside penn circle there are luxury apartments. One of my colleagues rented one next to brgr a few years ago and was paying big bucks to live there. After he moved out they raise the rent by close o $500 per month and it rented immediately with two people waiting for the renter to back out.
I hear that people are moving into highland/Wallace this past week with 40% leased. I'm willing to guess they are middle income folks.
06-12-2013, 02:00 PM
Location: Highland Park
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I hear that people are moving into highland/Wallace this past week with 40% leased. I'm willing to guess they are middle income folks.
You guys just don't get it. Unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bulk of East Liberty's population has discretionary income and is, right at this very moment, showing "signs of culinary, retail and entertainment life on Penn Avenue, like [CFP] knew as a kid shopping at Mansmann's, eating at Conti's and Bolan's Restaurants and seeing movies at the Regent and Sheridan," then East Liberty is dead, and anyone who argues otherwise is engaging in spin and hype.
The fact that millions of dollars have been and are being poured into East Liberty every year by developers who aren't in business to lose money? Doesn't matter.
The fact that lower-end businesses are being priced out of the area as landlords raise the rent in expectation of wealthier tenants coming along? Doesn't matter.
The fact that you pretty much can't walk through the streets north of East Liberty Boulevard due to the large number of dumpsters being used by gut rehabbers who are buying houses at foreclosure prices and selling them for $300K? Doesn't matter.
What matters is what CFP, the original poster, saw when he was a kid. Today's East Liberty doesn't match it. Therefore, it's no good and anyone suggesting otherwise is delusional or being paid to hype the place.
06-13-2013, 05:41 AM
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What matters is what CFP, the original poster, saw when he was a kid. Today's East Liberty doesn't match it. Therefore, it's no good and anyone suggesting otherwise is delusional or being paid to hype the place.
well said, and when the main drag penn avenue is thriving the way it did for nearly a hundred years before urban renewal i will finally admit that the hype was real
i hope it happens but doubt it will
06-13-2013, 06:43 AM
Location: 15206
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i hope it happens but doubt it will
No you don't, but that's okay.
Some things that you are forgetting:
-Brick and mortar retail is pretty much dead Because of Walmart, Amazon etc.
-Pittsburgh population is half of what it once was
-Your memories seem to predate the common ownership of the automobile Which confined consumers to one small geographic area.
There will never be four movie theaters in East liberty again. But way back in the day people didn't have DVD players or Netflix. Your memories even predate VHS and Betamax Videos.
If they can get a good mission style burrito/taco spot, a four-screen Cineplex, and a good daily breakfast/brunch place - I will be content. I don't need a wooden escalator.
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Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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