City Population Breakdown by Neighborhood 2000-2010; Predictions for 2010-2020? (Pittsburgh: appointed, how much)

[eschaton]

I have noticed some cognitive dissonance with a number of people, not just in the Pittsburgh area, but nationwide. They seemed to be older people who were more-or-less wishcasting for the end of the "urban revival" and a return of the wholesale flight of the middle class to suburbia, seeing the COVID-19 pandemic and Black Lives Matter as nails in the coffin even for cities like Portland that are really, really white.

If you look at the census numbers, lots of cities are still in trouble. Baltimore did poorly. St. Louis continued to decline, and is now smaller than we are. Milwaukee shrunk by more than last decade. Detroit and Cleveland continued to struggle. But lots of cities did quite well. New York grew by an astounding 7.7%. Newark is now larger than Pittsburgh (or St. Louis). Chicago beat expectations and grew. Philly grew by over 5%. DC grew by nearly 15%.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Wow. +1,130 people in a tiny East End census tract that looks like it aligns with the additions of EastSide Bond and Bakery Living, perhaps?

Yes, that's the far north part of Shadyside and includes both of those, even though they're more commonly associated with East Liberty (particularly Eastside Bond)

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Troy Hill losing 203 people is surprising for sure. Not sure what happened there unless it is going the way of Polish Hill, Morningside, Allegheny West, etc. with shrinkage due to the neighborhood gentrifying more and pushing more families with children out.

Keep in mind that the census merged in Spring Garden with Troy Hill this decade, so we can't say where the decline is taking place with this level of granularity.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Keep in mind that the census merged in Spring Garden with Troy Hill this decade, so we can't say where the decline is taking place with this level of granularity.

Ah! Okay! Makes total sense! Thank you! Spring Hill may have declined moderately while Troy Hill had slight growth, yet Spring Hill dragged Troy Hill down into the abyss with it.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by eschaton

I have noticed some cognitive dissonance with a number of people, not just in the Pittsburgh area, but nationwide. They seemed to be older people who were more-or-less wishcasting for the end of the "urban revival" and a return of the wholesale flight of the middle class to suburbia, seeing the COVID-19 pandemic and Black Lives Matter as nails in the coffin even for cities like Portland that are really, really white.

If you look at the census numbers, lots of cities are still in trouble. Baltimore did poorly. St. Louis continued to decline, and is now smaller than we are. Milwaukee shrunk by more than last decade. Detroit and Cleveland continued to struggle. But lots of cities did quite well. New York grew by an astounding 7.7%. Newark is now larger than Pittsburgh (or St. Louis). Chicago beat expectations and grew. Philly grew by over 5%. DC grew by nearly 15%.

I think Millennials really moved in droves during the 2010's from rural areas to metropolitan areas. I look at my native Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area as a prime example. Both Luzerne County (Wilkes-Barre) and Lackawanna County (Scranton) grew while the third county in the metro area, Wyoming County, which is rural in nature, declined significantly in terms of population. If I was a betting man a lot of the growth in Luzerne and Lackawanna Counties may have come from younger people fleeing Wyoming County to be closer to the cities. Some of it may have been due to the growing Hispanic population in those counties. Some of it may have been people fleeing the high cost-of-living in NJ and NYC and looking for an alternative to the Poconos.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I think Millennials really moved in droves during the 2010's from rural areas to metropolitan areas. I look at my native Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area as a prime example. Both Luzerne County (Wilkes-Barre) and Lackawanna County (Scranton) grew while the third county in the metro area, Wyoming County, which is rural in nature, declined significantly in terms of population. If I was a betting man a lot of the growth in Luzerne and Lackawanna Counties may have come from younger people fleeing Wyoming County to be closer to the cities. Some of it may have been due to the growing Hispanic population in those counties. Some of it may have been people fleeing the high cost-of-living in NJ and NYC and looking for an alternative to the Poconos.

Looks like the core of Scranton is up to 20%-30% Hispanic now. A bit more in Wilkes-Barre, though downtown proper is still pretty white.

[bradjl2009]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I think Millennials really moved in droves during the 2010's from rural areas to metropolitan areas. I look at my native Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area as a prime example. Both Luzerne County (Wilkes-Barre) and Lackawanna County (Scranton) grew while the third county in the metro area, Wyoming County, which is rural in nature, declined significantly in terms of population. If I was a betting man a lot of the growth in Luzerne and Lackawanna Counties may have come from younger people fleeing Wyoming County to be closer to the cities. Some of it may have been due to the growing Hispanic population in those counties. Some of it may have been people fleeing the high cost-of-living in NJ and NYC and looking for an alternative to the Poconos.

I was honestly surprised Lackawanna and Luzerne grew. Aren't those two counties even older than Allegheny (though Allegheny probably isn't really that old compared to to the country like it was 20 years ago)? I know the Hispanic population there grew like crazy from 2000-2010, and I'm sure it did again in this decade.

[Reggiezz]

The next time overcast winter skies make you feel low, look closely at the sky and scenery. Even then it's stunning. Last spring I was driving on Brownsville road during a storm with heavy snow coming down in a squall. I looked to my left and there was a line of cherry trees in full bloom with blossoms covered in snow and flakes just swirling around them. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I had to pinch myself to be sure I was still in this world.

If you look around, Pittsburgh is amazing.

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by eschaton

I have noticed some cognitive dissonance with a number of people, not just in the Pittsburgh area, but nationwide. They seemed to be older people who were more-or-less wishcasting for the end of the "urban revival" and a return of the wholesale flight of the middle class to suburbia, seeing the COVID-19 pandemic and Black Lives Matter as nails in the coffin even for cities like Portland that are really, really white.

If you look at the census numbers, lots of cities are still in trouble. Baltimore did poorly. St. Louis continued to decline, and is now smaller than we are. Milwaukee shrunk by more than last decade. Detroit and Cleveland continued to struggle. But lots of cities did quite well. New York grew by an astounding 7.7%. Newark is now larger than Pittsburgh (or St. Louis). Chicago beat expectations and grew. Philly grew by over 5%. DC grew by nearly 15%.

how does this disporve that? the areas that gained are placed upper income singles would move to. and Allegheny county gained substantially. the city essentially displaced black people to the burbs and replaced them with tech and ed employees from other cities (likely)

[runpens1]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

Well it is West Virginia. Although the declines in that county have appeared to slow down as well. 5.2 percent is the lowest it’s been in 40 years. Weirton is an extension of the Pittsburgh metro too.

Westmoreland County is definitely the worst in the Pittsburgh area. The Eastern reaches of that county have significant declines.

Looking at the census tracts the only thing that kept Allegheny County from losing population is the I-79 corridor. That’s where all the growth is. Chris Briem even mentioned that. Warrendale to South Fayette kept the county from losing.

True most of the growth in Allegheny County is in the north and western portions, while many other municipalities in the more southeast/east portions continued to decline. The exception were Jefferson Hills/South Park and Oakmont/Ohara areas. Monroeville actually had a small gain, possibly due to construction of apartment buildings. In Westmoreland, the only growth was in some of the townships across the Allegheny line, and the city of Greensburg actually saw a modest gain as well. The rest of the county has been what has been costing it population.

[trackstar13]

This is great news for the Pittsburgh region and given the difference between the July 2019 Census estimates for the city and the actual census count in April 2020, you could even say that Pittsburgh's population decline has not only leveled off, but it might be growing a little bit. It is very possible that the next census might show similar growth for the city of Pittsburgh, a little over 2%, that Allegheny county achieved during this past census. I will be interested to see what the naysayers have to say now and keep up the great work Pittsburgh. I actually have an apartment in the city and my wife and I have truly enjoyed our visits and weekends in Pittsburgh visiting family and enjoying the restaurants and cultural opportunities that Pittsburgh offers. We were even considering buying a condo, but we are going to wait until prices come down a little as this is kind of a crazy real estate market.