BikePGH unveils "Bikeway" plan (suite, car, business)

[Geeo]

Adults look silly riding on the sidewalk like children. Though it may be legal, it's not safe. I've almost been hit by them and several senior citizens almost got mowed down. Some residential neighborhoods have almost as much pedestrian traffic as neighborhood business districts.

[tclifton]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

I feel silly stopping at a light or stop sign when the intersection is perfectly clear. And I often ignore and ride through a 3-way stop if staying to the right is perfectly safe.

What a reprehensible idea. Another example of a cyclist that wants to pick and choose the laws, cafeteria style. I'm guessing that same latitude would not be afforded by the cyclist to the driver of a car.

[gortonator]

Originally Posted by tclifton

What a reprehensible idea. Another example of a cyclist that wants to pick and choose the laws, cafeteria style. I'm guessing that same latitude would not be afforded by the cyclist to the driver of a car.

I stop at red lights always. I often roll through many of the stupid stop signs that hang out in the backstreets of the East End if (and only if) its completely clear. I note, on the latter point, so do most cars .... a car that stops is the exception, not the rule.

[airwave09]

Originally Posted by tclifton

What a reprehensible idea. Another example of a cyclist that wants to pick and choose the laws, cafeteria style. I'm guessing that same latitude would not be afforded by the cyclist to the driver of a car.

Don't be stupid, looking at it logically cars should follow slightly different traffic laws then bikes at the very least. This is because they are extremely deadly weapons while a bike is not.

[tclifton]

Originally Posted by airwave09

Don't be stupid, looking at it logically cars should follow slightly different traffic laws then bikes at the very least. This is because they are extremely deadly weapons while a bike is not.

Let's try to not start name calling and keep this discussion civil.

Bikes can be deadly weapons when they do unexpected things like not obey traffic signs/laws and cause cars to take evasive actions that put the safety of others at risk.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by doo dah

The law does not state that it is legal to ride on the sidewalk. Rather:
"Section 3508. Pedalcycles on sidewalks and pedalcycle paths.
(a) Right-of-way to pedestrians.-- A person riding a pedalcycle upon a
sidewalk or pedalcycle path used by pedestrians shall yield the right-of-way
to any pedestrian and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and
passing a pedestrian.

(b) Business districts.-- A person shall not ride a pedalcycle upon a
sidewalk in a business district unless permitted by official traffic-control
devices, nor when a usable pedalcycle-only lane has been provided adjacent
to the sidewalk."

http://www.dot.state.pa.us/Internet/...rward?OpenForm

There is a difference.

Okay? Biking on the sidewalk is implied to be legal and is "not illegal". Is that better?

[gortonator]

Originally Posted by tclifton

Bikes can be deadly weapons when they do unexpected things like not obey traffic signs/laws and cause cars to take evasive actions that put the safety of others at risk.

As a cyclist, I couldn't agree more with this. I may break stop sign rules, but only in the same circumstances that I would break them in a car.

I did some rides last year with a group on Tuesday evenings, but basically stopped because of the complete disregard many of them had for road rules. Jumping red lights, blocking lanes on bridges, not even slowing down and looking at stop signs. It was really bad ...

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by tclifton

What a reprehensible idea. Another example of a cyclist that wants to pick and choose the laws, cafeteria style. I'm guessing that same latitude would not be afforded by the cyclist to the driver of a car.

Of course not, a car can be a lethal weapon. Those rules were made with a car in mind, not a bike.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Plot twist: what do minorities think about biking in the city/biking lanes? In all my years here I have never seen a bicyclist in the city that wasn't white.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by gortonator

As a cyclist, I couldn't agree more with this. I may break stop sign rules, but only in the same circumstances that I would break them in a car.

I did some rides last year with a group on Tuesday evenings, but basically stopped because of the complete disregard many of them had for road rules. Jumping red lights, blocking lanes on bridges, not even slowing down and looking at stop signs. It was really bad ...

As a cyclist, then you know about momentum. You don't want to lose it if it is unnecessary. Bike riding would become an incredible chore if the letter of the law is followed. And I've noticed that even the police bend the rules on their bikes.