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Old 10-08-2013, 07:22 PM
 
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Is the old Allegheny Center Mall close to The Priory? When I stayed there a few years ago, I remember walking around the neighborhood, and seeing a building that I thought was ugly as hell.

I did like the part of Ohio Street that was still there. It must have been nice before most of it was demolished to make way for I-279.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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Is the old Allegheny Center Mall close to The Priory? When I stayed there a few years ago, I remember walking around the neighborhood, and seeing a building that I thought was ugly as hell.

I did like the part of Ohio Street that was still there. It must have been nice before most of it was demolished to make way for I-279.
what they did to the northside is criminal

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There is not much that can be done about the underpasses. At least they have been spruced up with new painting and better lighting in recent years to make them more attractive. The idea for these underpasses to be fixed up was to give people a better entry and a more attractive neighborhood to spill into be it by accident or not. Once you pass through the revamped underpass on Federal, the old mall says "TURN AROUND. THERE IS NOTHING HERE OF INTEREST! Sprucing up underpasses will not mean a hill of beans to the Central North Side if we do not re-connect Federal and eventually Ohio Street.
excellent point, the picture I posted earlier was an underpass that was redone to encourage people to walk to this new park

http://www.designboom.com/weblog/ima...eet/race01.jpg
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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what they did to the northside is criminal



excellent point, the picture I posted earlier was an underpass that was redone to encourage people to walk to this new park

http://www.designboom.com/weblog/ima...eet/race01.jpg
Is that the Schuykill or the Delaware?
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Is that the Schuykill or the Delaware?
the delaware, that's 95 in the picture. the red brick building is being converted to a bar/music venue
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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Reconnecting Federal St is supposed to be part of the vision for Allegheny Center's future.

See this 2010 thread "Efforts underway to start reversing Allegheny Center disaster" and the plan by an urban design team
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:34 AM
 
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Boston's I-93 carries at least 3-4x the amount of traffic this stretch of highway does in Pittsburgh, it seems.

A far less expensive and perhaps more pleasant plan could turn this stretch (and perhaps Rt 65 through Manchester as well) into a boulevard.

San Fransisco did a similar thing with Octavia Blvd and the Embarcadero, both replacements for removed elevated freeways themselves.

The train tracks here do present another issue, though...
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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In general, I don't see this happening for another decade. Pittsburgh is putting all it's effort into fixing East Liberty right now it seems. Homeowners buying and restoring properties aren't going to do much more for the North Side than they already have - the nicer parts are already as or more expensive than South Side Flats or Lawrenceville as it is, despite the issues the area has with a lack of vibrant commercial corridors.

Don't get me wrong, the North Side is getting better and better. I may just live there next year. But homeowner-led gentrification has taken its logical course, and there's only so much developer money to go around.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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In general, I don't see this happening for another decade.
A decade isn't really that long for a project like this. It'd be good to start the momentum and planning now so, assuming things go right, this could be reality in 15 years and not 25.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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those things are unfunded so the question is, what is most important to fund and are there any affordable workarounds in the meantime? I'd put federal st much higher in importance than ohio street (which can at least be traversed on foot or bike). some of the perimeter surface lots could be developed to add density.

let's also think about what happens when you get past the underpass. a crappy little post office on one side that replaced a grand old train station and a surface lot on the other. perhaps these two parcels should be targeted for development.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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A far less expensive and perhaps more pleasant plan could turn this stretch (and perhaps Rt 65 through Manchester as well) into a boulevard.
My understanding is they are planning on converting 65 into a boulevard at some point in the future.

I wish they routed the highway across the river where the 10th Street bypwass is honestly. You could have made the Veteran's bridge bigger, and had lanes curl off in the Lower Strip and hug the Allegheny shore until you hit the Fort Duquense Bridge. The highway would be below the street elevation and thus not screwed with people's view of the rivers.
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