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Old 11-19-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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From the Post-Gazette:

Push by Corbett, Rendell and others for House to vote for transportation bill fails - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Not even Rendell stepping in to drum up bipartisan support could get this bill to pass. I am basically neutral when it comes to unions, but local democrats voting in lock-step AGAINST this bill because of the union-wage provision is deplorable and shows how out of touch they are with the REAL issues of Western Pennsylvania. There goes our bridges and the Port Authority, way to go and stick up for your union constituents!

Next question: Just HOW screwed are we now?
This transportation bill not only effects Pennsylvania but most of Delaware and New Jersey as well. SEPTA offers service on those states. Without any transportation funding, states will suffer as well. It will have a ripple effect on the region.
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Old 11-19-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Philly
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This transportation bill not only effects Pennsylvania but most of Delaware and New Jersey as well. SEPTA offers service on those states. Without any transportation funding, states will suffer as well. It will have a ripple effect on the region.
yep, four governors stumped for the bill yet some pittsburgh hacks like ravenstahl are keeping the state down for petty political points. he may not ride the bus but he certainly knows how to cash checks from unions and count on their votes
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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So what's the back up plan?
I imagine it's pray that the Democrat plan passes (I believe they are calling it the Hanna amendment). If the Republicans are too pompous to allow this, it dies, Corbett loses, and it comes up again after the elections. The problem I see then is that some of the Republicans who voted for this now will not want to go along with another "Liberal Philly Democrat like Fast Eddie".
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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This transportation bill not only effects Pennsylvania but most of Delaware and New Jersey as well. SEPTA offers service on those states. Without any transportation funding, states will suffer as well. It will have a ripple effect on the region.
Correct, especially Delaware. At least one of SEPTA's Trenton lines will continue. DE will lose all SEPTA service. Idiots.
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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Correct, especially Delaware. At least one of SEPTA's Trenton lines will continue. DE will lose all SEPTA service. Idiots.
I know this is crazy talk but do you think Pittsburgh, Philly, and their surrounding suburbs should threaten to secede from the state?
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Mexican War Streets
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sure, except they aren't risking anything over principle. they're just doing the bidding of their interest groups and doing their part keeping PA backward. If there were any truth to your statement you can be damn sure that Philadelphia reps would have voted against it in lock step. the reality is the provision is largely irrelevant to the wages of union members and mostly symbolic. the pittsburgh reps lack courage.
Wait....let's get really speculatively Machiavellian about motives for voting sans proof...seems to be the parlor game on this thread.

Maybe the Dems wanted to kill this House bill regardless but to do so in a way that gave them the cover of attempting to work with the "purported" compromise (AKA "demand"). Its failure winds up hurting Corbett, making him look impotant and ultimately forcing the GOP into the difficult decision of punting the transportation issue all together (despite it being a real problem) or putting up the clean bill. They trot out Rendell for cover, Fitgerald and the like go along. Whip the votes to make it close. The Philly area reps have to vote pro-transit as SEPTA has much greater suburban impact than PAT, which isn't actually all that popular outside of the City limits here in Pittsburgh but union cover for the vote doesn't really matter since everybody inside the tent knows it's getting killed anyway.

Now...Ball's in your court Governor. The Dems have successfully exposed and exploited the divide within the GOP and, since they control all of the levers of government, it's thei problem to own. Corbett has to show some progress prior to the campaign and everybody has said it's a big problem so you can't walk away from it now. We know the hard right nihilists won't move...so where to go to get a bill passed?
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Mexican War Streets
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I know this is crazy talk but do you think Pittsburgh, Philly, and their surrounding suburbs should threaten to secede from the state?
No.

Hopefully...over time, Obama's "War on Coal" (and other, more impactful demographic trends) will continue to depopulate the more rural parts of the state, rendering their relative political power less capable of being meddlesome.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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I know this is crazy talk but do you think Pittsburgh, Philly, and their surrounding suburbs should threaten to secede from the state?
Not crazy. Won't ever happen, but certainly not crazy. I've often wanted the 5 counties of SE PA, plus 3 or 4 of the unwanted counties in South Jersey to form the 51st state. Plus, I'd suggest that we offer counties up through the Lehigh Valley and out to Lancaster to be part of the 51st state. If they aren't interested, so be it.

I'd love to see Metcalfe and his dirt-road friends try to secure Federal funding for big projects without Philadelphia and its wealthy suburban counties. Heck, even state funding for the rural parts of PA will decrease significantly without the economic powerhouse.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'd love to see Metcalfe and his dirt-road friends try to secure Federal funding for big projects without Philadelphia and its wealthy suburban counties.
Ask yourself why every other public works project in WV is named after Robert Byrd.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Philly
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I know this is crazy talk but do you think Pittsburgh, Philly, and their surrounding suburbs should threaten to secede from the state?
no, the deciding votes are in the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh areas. if shortsighted politicians like ravenstahl and dum costa voted for that was best for Pittsburgh we wouldn't be having this conversation, instead, they're holding out over what is largely a symbolic change in the state's prevailing wage laws. the problem isn't the rest of the state so much as the inability of Pittsburgh's politicians and several in Montgomery to put aside the orders of a few to vote for the good of many.
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