01-26-2014, 07:11 PM
Location: Crafton, PA
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Funny you mention that area, I wrecked there a few weeks ago when I hit a pitch of ice on the bend where the yellow barrier is. Wound up on that hillside.
You would up on the hill below the curve??!? Yikes. That curve (with the yellow wall) is bad, along with the steep bend up the hill a little ways.
01-26-2014, 07:20 PM
Location: Pittsburgh area
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No excuse. I've worked 12-hour shifts for most of the past week---driving for 95% of that time. Of course I'm tired. I know they're tired, too. Judging by the attitudes I received from people today I'm guessing the entire city is stressed out to the core from this incessant snow. The DPW workers knew the responsibilities of the job when they signed up for it. They knew they ran the risk of Pittsburgh having a severe winter, which is what we've been having, where they'd be out working seemingly incessantly. If people aren't going to cut us a break when their food is delivered ten minutes late due to barely passable roads then why should we cut THEM some slack when they're the reason why our customers were agitated with us?
I suspect there is a whole lot more to it than that. Work rules, equipment issues, salt or lack thereof, all this comes into play. Note I didn't say it couldn't involve bad management. But I could see how it would end up like this due to factors entirely beyond control.
You probably aren't subject to driving work rules, but I suspect these drivers are subject to certain CDL rules. That might be the biggest problem, not enough legal crew to man the trucks. (Legal as in they've had the proper amount of rest as required by law.) But I'm only guessing. I haven't confirmed but I found one reference to a max of 11 hours driving (within a max 14 hour workday) before 10 hour rest period, and if that info is correct it is a federal law.
I find this sort of modestly informed guessing preferable to armchair quarterbacking.
01-26-2014, 07:22 PM
Location: Pittsburgh area
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It should not have been "unexpected", though. I guess DPW Director Rob Koczorowski (or whatever his name is) didn't see the large shield of moderate snow in the Midwest advancing towards us on radar that I saw prior to leaving for work this morning? The roads were in DEPLORABLE condition up until just a couple of hours ago when it seems like the city finally started plowing/salting with a vengeance. Many roads in the East End were barely passable. What was the long delay for? Did the DPW workers need time to watch football?
My remark was really about what I saw on Friday and Saturday. I'm quite sure the people who have to remove snow for a living looked at it a lot more closely than I did and got more updates. I slept in today until about 8:30 and didn't look at the weather this am before going out.
I suspect the problem is due to what I stated above.
01-26-2014, 07:25 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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I suspect there is a whole lot more to it than that. Work rules, equipment issues, salt or lack thereof, all this comes into play. Note I didn't say it couldn't involve bad management. But I could see how it would end up like this due to factors entirely beyond control.
You probably aren't subject to driving work rules, but I suspect these drivers are subject to certain CDL rules. That might be the biggest problem, not enough legal crew to man the trucks. (Legal as in they've had the proper amount of rest as required by law.) But I'm only guessing. I haven't confirmed but I found one reference to a max of 11 hours driving (within a max 14 hour workday) before 10 hour rest period, and if that info is correct it is a federal law.
I find this sort of modestly informed guessing preferable to armchair quarterbacking.
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greg42
My remark was really about what I saw on Friday and Saturday. I'm quite sure the people who have to remove snow for a living looked at it a lot more closely than I did and got more updates. I slept in today until about 8:30 and didn't look at the weather this am before going out.
Fair enough. You are the "hyperbole police" after all!
Sorry. I just needed the opportunity to vent a bit. I've been under an extreme amount of stress lately in my professional and personal life, and any additional stressors (i.e. the city not doing a damn thing to the streets for six hours as my employees and I just skidded around) just makes my eye twitch.
I need a vacation. I also need a massage. Any takers?! I tip well!
01-27-2014, 07:00 AM
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I know I'm very well known for being critical of Pittsburgh drivers, but this weekend, everyone got a free pass.
01-27-2014, 07:24 AM
Location: Pittsburgh area
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The other thing that appeared to happen this morning is that the temp didn't go down in the city as early as it went down up north. The NWS noted this morning that temps would fall 10-15 degrees within half an hour after the snow came through. The roads up near me were pretty treacherous, plus 79 in Marshall and Franklin Park and then 279 down to about Bellevue were pretty nasty. In going farther south and into the city, they got clear. I don't think it was all because they used more salt down there or something. I think the temp change had not had its full effect yet.
01-27-2014, 07:49 AM
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The other thing that appeared to happen this morning is that the temp didn't go down in the city as early as it went down up north. The NWS noted this morning that temps would fall 10-15 degrees within half an hour after the snow came through. The roads up near me were pretty treacherous, plus 79 in Marshall and Franklin Park and then 279 down to about Bellevue were pretty nasty. In going farther south and into the city, they got clear. I don't think it was all because they used more salt down there or something. I think the temp change had not had its full effect yet.
The upsetting thing is I heard nothing but "all road crews have been working 12-16 hour shifts to ensure that roads were taken care of".
01-27-2014, 08:09 AM
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You would up on the hill below the curve??!? Yikes. That curve (with the yellow wall) is bad, along with the steep bend up the hill a little ways.
luckily not that bad, spun out on the other side of the road and wound up on the wall free side
01-27-2014, 08:29 AM
Location: Pittsburgh area
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The upsetting thing is I heard nothing but "all road crews have been working 12-16 hour shifts to ensure that roads were taken care of".
Well, they probably were, but the rapid freezup up there sure didn't help. There's only so much that can be done, especially once they get behind and the traffic is packed on there going slow. Trying to clear things at rush hour is darned near impossible.
And now, the sun is out. LOL
01-27-2014, 08:42 AM
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Well, they probably were, but the rapid freezup up there sure didn't help. There's only so much that can be done, especially once they get behind and the traffic is packed on there going slow. Trying to clear things at rush hour is darned near impossible.
It was awful this morning. With the pre-light whiteout conditions, I'm lucky I didn't drive right off of the road.
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Sorry. I just needed the opportunity to vent a bit. I've been under an extreme amount of stress lately in my professional and personal life, and any additional stressors (i.e. the city not doing a damn thing to the streets for six hours as my employees and I just skidded around) just makes my eye twitch.
