03-04-2014, 11:03 AM
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Nursing Assistants do a lot of the work, too. Salaries for them are like $11-$14/hour. They move patients, do catheters and IVs, empty bed pans, and clean the patients. There's usually fewer assistants per floor than nurses, so a staff cut of even one person per shift can be a huge change (8 patients vs 16 patients for example).
Yes, Nursing Assistants do a LOT of work, and I think a base starting rate of $14 an hour would be appropriate for them. It isn't an "unskilled job". For NA's, the workload also varies a lot from unit to unit. I have worked in units where the NA's are worked to death, and units where they sit on the computer and don't contribute much at all (mostly in ICUs). There are also many stresses that NA's don't feel that are unique to nurses. A NA isn't responsible for recognizing EKG changes in a post arrest patient who is on cooling protocol, a balloon pump, has an LVAD and is on ECMO. The nurse is responsible for this, plus many of the duties of the NA (making sure patients are clean, etc.). This is obviously why a nurse is usually (nowadays) required to have a Bachelor's degree and a NA isn't. But this all goes back to my point earlier. This is a difficult topic because you then have to decide what job's "deserve" a wage increase and what jobs don't. In the GRAND scheme of things, UPMC pays their employees a lower wage than many other bigger health systems out there. Kaiser, for example, is known for being an excellent hospital system to work for when it comes to wages, benefits, etc. They often pay their nurses 70k per year (and not just in expensive parts of CA), have "turning teams" in their facilities that take physical burden off of the nurses and NA's, offer free parking for employees, etc. I was paying $75 a month for my spot in Presby.
The whole topic is far from black and white. Maybe a cafeteria worker at Shadyside doesn't deserve $15 an hour when a new grad nurse is only making $5 more an hour, but that isn't to say the cafeteria worker doesn't deserve a "livable" wage. It's a tough subject.
03-04-2014, 11:07 AM
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If employers pay poverty wages, we all pay for it through social programs like SNAP and the Earned Income Tax Credit. So the actual social cost of poverty drops considerably, as it's born by the employer rather than the federal government.
Exactly. It should be born by the employer instead of the federal government. These people are working for a company that needs a job done. They're not sitting at home on welfare. They deserve to earn enough money to put food on their table without food stamps. Taxpayers/government/society should not be subsidizing corporate profits via welfare.
03-04-2014, 11:09 AM
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You also have to take into account that going to nursing school at one if their schools & then working at one of their hospitals forgives your tuition which is a big bonus not directly reflected by the raw salary numbers.
This is the exception, not the norm. I went to Pitt's nursing school for my Bachelor's degree, and I am thousands and thousands of dollars in debt. I got a job at Presby and certainly wasn't awarded any "tuition reimbursement". I have a bachelor's degree worth of debt, and for the vast majority of people that also have a bachelor's degree are in the same boat as I am. There are more nursing programs outside of UPMC's own hospital based Associates programs. Also, UPMC's programs usually only grant you an Associates degree, which won't cut it for nurses in a few years. Many who have been nurses a long time with only an associates are being forced to go back and get their Bachelor's degree (not paid for by UPMC). Soon, it will be a requirement in most places to get a Bachelor's degree to become a nurse (which I agree with). Very few of the "hospital based programs" that I know of offer a BSN.
03-04-2014, 11:13 AM
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You also have to take into account that going to nursing school at one if their schools & then working at one of their hospitals forgives your tuition which is a big bonus not directly reflected by the raw salary numbers.
Not all of the nurses went to nursing school at one of their schools.
03-04-2014, 11:18 AM
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This is the exception, not the norm.
What are the stipulations then? My basis for saying so was that my cousin attended UPMC Mercy nursing school & didn't have any tuition payments apart from books, uniforms, etc. so long as she worked for UPMC 2 years after graduating.
03-04-2014, 11:24 AM
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Supporting the living wage will only make things better for you in the long run. Expecting an immediate increase is unrealistic. If you'd rather work for McDonalds if it paid better, you must not like your career much. The living wage will help you get out of that awful job you hate and into McDonalds were you think life would be better if it only paid a living wage.
I like my job and am not trying to get out of it. My point is right now my free time to me is worth more than minimum wage. Is my free time worth more than $15 an hour? Not sure, but I guarantee lots of people who currently only work one job will likely take a second if it pays $15 an hour. That ends up hurting the people who wanted that raise in the first place.
03-04-2014, 11:39 AM
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What are the stipulations then? My basis for saying so was that my cousin attended UPMC Mercy nursing school & didn't have any tuition payments apart from books, uniforms, etc. so long as she worked for UPMC 2 years after graduating.
You're acting like it skews the average salary, but not every UPMC nurse went through one of their programs. RN at CCAC is very affordable without having a two year commitment to an employer.
03-04-2014, 11:51 AM
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You're acting like it skews the average salary, but not every UPMC nurse went through one of their programs. RN at CCAC is very affordable without having a two year commitment to an employer.
I'm not saying it skews anything but rather pointing out that they have a large pool of potential employees (students if their nursing schools) that in addition to their starting salaries won't have any tuition debt.
$43K/yr after 2 years of post High School education & possibly no debt would seem great to me if I was 20; somewhat less so if I was older & had a family when I chose to go to school but that's all about life choices.
03-04-2014, 11:55 AM
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What are the stipulations then? My basis for saying so was that my cousin attended UPMC Mercy nursing school & didn't have any tuition payments apart from books, uniforms, etc. so long as she worked for UPMC 2 years after graduating.
Generally, if you go to a UPMC based, in-hospital program, you will receive a Diploma Degree and will receive tuition reimbursement if you work for UPMC two years after graduating. The thing is, most nurses don't go to these programs. Some do of course, but increasingly it is required to have a Bachelor's degree in nursing to acquire a job. This degree is not offered by hospital based programs or community colleges. You must go to Pitt, Duquesne, etc. A University based nursing program. These Bachelor's degrees are like any other Bachelor's degree, and you will not get tuition reimbursement for working at UPMC for 2 years after getting a degree. When I was working in the ICU at Presby, most nurses went to a University (Pitt, Duq, etc.) and had a Bachelor's,
or went to Community College for an Associates Degree and were in the process of going for their Bachelor's Degree while working at the same time. The way of hospital based Diploma programs are disappearing.
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What's a bit goofy are all of the other threads in this forum that say that wages in Pittsburgh are amazing. Yet here we are in this thread talking about $11 and $15 dollar an hour salaries both at a skilled and unskilled level and how people should shut up and take them.
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People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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