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Old 02-10-2008, 01:29 AM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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Homophobic bigotry is DEF bad taste and will not be tolerated.
Can anyone tell me what "homophobia" actually is? Is it a real "phobia" like a fear of snakes or fear of spiders? Or is it just a term someone made up to bash anyone who stands in the way of the militant gay movement?

It's interesting, because I never heard the term "homophobia" until the late 1990s. I do have an extreme, irrational fear of heights...a real phobia. Yet some would say I have "homophobia" just because I think homosexuality is wrong. Sorry, but thinking something is wrong is not the same thing as an extreme, irrational fear.
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Old 02-10-2008, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Saint Petersburg
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Can anyone tell me what "homophobia" actually is? Is it a real "phobia" like a fear of snakes or fear of spiders? Or is it just a term someone made up to bash anyone who stands in the way of the militant gay movement?

It's interesting, because I never heard the term "homophobia" until the late 1990s. I do have an extreme, irrational fear of heights...a real phobia. Yet some would say I have "homophobia" just because I think homosexuality is wrong. Sorry, but thinking something is wrong is not the same thing as an extreme, irrational fear.
Some people who are bigoted about homosexuality do seem to have an irrational fear of it. I think in some cases that stems from something personal - like homosexual feelings that they themselves have and can't deal with.

It does seem as though the people you hear about in the news getting busted for patronizing gay prostitutes or having secret gay affairs always seem to be the most anti-gay people in their public lives. And I read a study once that tested levels of sexual response to gay porn among homophobic or non-homophobic men - homophobic men showed greater arousal than non-homophobic men. It just seems to happen so often that I now pretty much assume that any man I meet who is extremely aversive to homosexuality is probably "protesting too much", if you know what I mean.

However, I'm not saying that's the behavior pattern of you or any of the other people who think it's "wrong". I'm just offering this explanation as a possible reason for why some people seem to be unreasonably terrified of homosexuality.

Personally, I think that we spend way too much time in this country worrying about and judging what goes on in the bedrooms of other people, and not enough time cultivating positive stuff in our own bedrooms. I also think that homosexual bigotry is much more "wrong" than homosexuality. But of course we are all entitled to our own opinions.
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Old 02-10-2008, 09:55 AM
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Location: Pennsylvania
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Can anyone tell me what "homophobia" actually is? Is it a real "phobia" like a fear of snakes or fear of spiders? Or is it just a term someone made up to bash anyone who stands in the way of the militant gay movement?

It's interesting, because I never heard the term "homophobia" until the late 1990s. I do have an extreme, irrational fear of heights...a real phobia. Yet some would say I have "homophobia" just because I think homosexuality is wrong. Sorry, but thinking something is wrong is not the same thing as an extreme, irrational fear.
Neither you nor the Evangelical right wing "christians" in this country have the right to discriminate nor legislate against anybody based on what you feel is "moral" or "immoral" beliefs. You may believe whatever you'd like, but, quit trying to force your beliefs on the rest of us.

Nobody's asking you to go to bed with us, are they? No, I didn't think so. What exactly do you mean by "militant gay movement"??? Are you referring to our desire to be treated as HUMAN BEINGS and afforded the same rights that are provided to you HOMOPHOBIC BIGOTS, and not be treated as second-class citizens?
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Old 02-10-2008, 10:42 AM
 
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I would not consider you homophobic kpoeppel. Believing homosexuality is wrong is not the same as homophobia (although I certainly think people who believe its wrong are silly enough). There are still plenty of people in this country who fear homosexuality (after all, haven't you heard, it's gone airborne). There are still young gay men being beaten to death or harassed. Homophobia itself is irrational fear or hatred toward gay people. And of course, people can both believe homosexuality is wrong AND be homophobic.
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Old 02-10-2008, 02:51 PM
 
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Can anyone tell me what "homophobia" actually is? Is it a real "phobia" like a fear of snakes or fear of spiders? Or is it just a term someone made up to bash anyone who stands in the way of the militant gay movement?

It's interesting, because I never heard the term "homophobia" until the late 1990s. I do have an extreme, irrational fear of heights...a real phobia. Yet some would say I have "homophobia" just because I think homosexuality is wrong. Sorry, but thinking something is wrong is not the same thing as an extreme, irrational fear.
Militant Gay Movement? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!


Jeez, why is when people -- ANY people -- ask for the basic human rights our Constitution afforded supposedly ALL of us (when you know they actually only meant white land owning men) is it a militant movement?

When the blacks did it in the 60's they were militant, when the women did it in the 70's they were militant... and by the way -- we didn't get them -- the ERA didn't pass -- and now -- gays are doing the same thing. (Better luck to you than we had!)

This is from the Declaration of Independence :

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Does this SAY that gays have rights? Yep. All MEN -- which we now take to mean PEOPLE!!!! -- are created equal. NOT separate (no "civil union" crap) -- EQUAL!!!

And yes -- when you use terms like Militant Gay Movement you are expressing your fear. You fear gays because you find distasteful what they do behind closed doors.

Well -- I'm a very happily married woman and frankly -- I don't want to hear about anything ANYONE does behind closed doors. I don't consider sex a spectator sport. I don't like any of it thrown in my face. *I* am a PRUDE.

I'm not going to tell you about my sex life -- but trust me -- I have friends that are very open about theirs -- and none of them are gay. My gay friends don't do that at all. My gay friends are sensitive enough to understand I don't want to hear it at all from ANYBODY, whereas my straight friends will NEVER get it.
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Old 02-10-2008, 04:45 PM
 
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And yes -- when you use terms like Militant Gay Movement you are expressing your fear. You fear gays because you find distasteful what they do behind closed doors.
Good point. I didn't think of that, but you're right.
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Jeez, why is when people -- ANY people -- ask for the basic human rights our Constitution afforded supposedly ALL of us (when you know they actually only meant white land owning men) is it a militant movement?

When the blacks did it in the 60's they were militant, when the women did it in the 70's they were militant... and by the way -- we didn't get them -- the ERA didn't pass -- and now -- gays are doing the same thing. (Better luck to you than we had!)

This is from the Declaration of Independence :

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Does this SAY that gays have rights? Yep. All MEN -- which we now take to mean PEOPLE!!!! -- are created equal. NOT separate (no "civil union" crap) -- EQUAL!!!
Thank you Tallysmom, your posts are always so thoughtful.
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Old 02-10-2008, 05:58 PM
 
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Good point. I didn't think of that, but you're right.

Thank you Tallysmom, your posts are always so thoughtful.
Thank you -- I was afraid I was being too harsh... I'm really a nice person who doesn't like to make people upset. But sometimes I get a little riled up!
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:21 AM
BVH
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Thank you -- I was afraid I was being too harsh... I'm really a nice person who doesn't like to make people upset. But sometimes I get a little riled up!
Not at all! I occasionally get a little angry when people suggest that I am part of some "militant gay movement" because I want to be able to marry my partner and be treated as an equal human being.
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:22 AM
 
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BTW - The stupid thread on "Pittsburgh is so so depressing" was closed for the SAME reasons I said it should be closed! I'm not alone in my opinion! MWAHAHAHA.
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Old 02-11-2008, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I came back to edit my post, and you had already responded, so I'll just say,
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