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Old 02-26-2008, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Saint Petersburg
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Yea, I got pretty P.O'd last night when I saw it on CNN. The police chief said "It is our understanding that Larry may have been making unwanted advances towards the suspect." Like THAT makes it all ok?
And if you think about this exact statement from a heterosexual viewpoint, it doesn't make any sense at all, so how could it even be a reasonable argument from a homosexual viewpoint?

For instance, I've been hit on by lots of guys (I'm a woman) in my life. Not all of those advances were "wanted". Does that make it ok or understandable if I decide to shoot one of them? It's not a reasonable action either way.

In the end it's still all about the shooter and his particular brand of mental problems. It doesn't matter what the gender or sexual orientation of him or his victim was. If you don't want to date someone, for whatever reason, just say "No". How hard is that?
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Old 02-26-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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It happened in California, too, which is more surprising. I wouldn't be so shocked if it happened in like the middle of Mississippi or something.
Could you be any more stereotypical?
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Old 02-26-2008, 01:27 PM
 
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Could you be any more stereotypical?
Well considering the average IQ in Mississippi is only a few points higher than legal mental retardation, I think my comment was fine. :P

I'm just kidding!! I have no problem with Mississippians, LOL.

Actually what I said about IQ was a fact, though. And stereotypes (i'm not saying they are right) exist for a reason, good and bad. If there wasn't at least PARTIAL truth behind them, they wouldn't exist. It is a statistical, psychological, and scientific fact that people with lower IQs and people who are more ignorant/naive to worldly matters harbor more prejudice, are more discriminatory, and have a higher rate of bigotry and violence.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:48 PM
BVH
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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And if you think about this exact statement from a heterosexual viewpoint, it doesn't make any sense at all, so how could it even be a reasonable argument from a homosexual viewpoint?

For instance, I've been hit on by lots of guys (I'm a woman) in my life. Not all of those advances were "wanted". Does that make it ok or understandable if I decide to shoot one of them? It's not a reasonable action either way.

In the end it's still all about the shooter and his particular brand of mental problems. It doesn't matter what the gender or sexual orientation of him or his victim was. If you don't want to date someone, for whatever reason, just say "No". How hard is that?
Yep, exactly!. Somehow it makes it more "justifiable". Like "Well, the shooter was guilty and wrong, but, the victim may have flirted with him, after all."

The little monster's lawyer is already gearing up to use that defense to. Gay panic defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ask Mathew Shepherd's murderer's how well that worked for them.
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Old 02-26-2008, 06:09 PM
 
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Jesus, between BVH and SWB, I get so confused on which one of you is writing or what to associate with each one!!

You three letter people, UHG!!!!!
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Jesus, between BVH and SWB, I get so confused on which one of you is writing or what to associate with each one!!

You three letter people, UHG!!!!!
You don't need to worry about the brevity of my name...although I did forget to add the "d" when I first signed up--it should be "ainulindale" not "ainulinale", oh well.
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:54 PM
 
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It happened in California, too, which is more surprising. I wouldn't be so shocked if it happened in like the middle of Mississippi or something.
Yeah, well -- you shouldn't be surprised -- in the past year I've been hit over the head repeatedly with the fact that it IS like that in California. I've heard more racist and sexist horsehockey in the past year from people who really should know better. When I'm not standing there with my mouth hanging open from shock, I'm letting them know it is NOT appropriate and they are wrong wrong wrong.

Maybe it's the whole general nastiness thing we were talking about earlier but honestly -- people really are stupid sometimes.
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Jesus, between BVH and SWB, I get so confused on which one of you is writing or what to associate with each one!!

You three letter people, UHG!!!!!
You trendy people, UHG!!!
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Well considering the average IQ in Mississippi is only a few points higher than legal mental retardation, I think my comment was fine. :P

I'm just kidding!! I have no problem with Mississippians, LOL.

Actually what I said about IQ was a fact, though. And stereotypes (i'm not saying they are right) exist for a reason, good and bad. If there wasn't at least PARTIAL truth behind them, they wouldn't exist. It is a statistical, psychological, and scientific fact that people with lower IQs and people who are more ignorant/naive to worldly matters harbor more prejudice, are more discriminatory, and have a higher rate of bigotry and violence.
Blah blah blah. I bet you wouldn't tolerate negative stereotypes of gay people in your presence or let someone explain away their resort to such a stereotype as having "at least some basis in truth", and I'm sure plenty of good Mississippians wouldn't appreciate your characterization of their entire state as knuckle-dragging troglodytes ready to beat the first gay person they see into a pulp. This incident should be surprising and shocking anywhere. It is abberent and abhorrent behavior everywhere. Including Mississippi.

And no less silly is your other implicit stereotype of California as some particularly enlightened, progressive, peaceful place where this kind of thing just doesn't happen because everyone holds hands and dances and sings songs together or some such nonsense. The naivete of both stereotypes is kind of stunning from someone I would have figured was intelligent enough to know better.
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:50 PM
 
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Guylocke!!

omigod, I saw this today and LOL...literally. People came over to my desk wanting to know why...I know you will enjoy it too...

The Burgh Blog » Because the Post Gazette BEGGED me to
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