Best Cities for Millennials (Pittsburgh, Lawrenceville: to rent, home, live)

[metalforever]

Originally Posted by J_Church

Yes, they cannot.

This is one of the main reasons my wife and I are moving. We have an affordable (for San Francisco) tiny one bedroom apartment that is rent-controlled. A two bedroom (which we would need if we were starting a family, etc) would be at least $1000 more a month than what we pay now. Craziness.

I tried to afford it, kind of, and had a place without roommates when I was 21, and it wasn't in tenderloin. But seriously, it got ridiculous, and it just wasn't.worth.it. Also, I was seriously an exception to the rule. I brought some friends with me back to pittsburgh and they LOVE it in comparison to San Francisco. They said my apartment which I was paying less than $700 for in Pittsburgh would easily run $3,000 a month there.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Der Schwabe

You missed the point quite capably. This is not that there is sun, nor that they are specifically in the sunbelt. It is the industrial history, collapse, and rather recent reversal of these trends compared with cities that have enjoyed more steady growth and population stability (particularly in these ranges).

While Minneapolis and Denver did not have a dominant industry that collapsed, both have seen a lot of de-industrialization. Denver was also affected by the collapse of the oil industry in the early 80s, as was Houston (also on the list).

[J_Church]

Originally Posted by metalforever

But seriously, it got ridiculous, and it just wasn't.worth.it.

I completely agree.

[Der Schwabe]

Originally Posted by Katiana

While Minneapolis and Denver did not have a dominant industry that collapsed, both have seen a lot of de-industrialization. Denver was also affected by the collapse of the oil industry in the early 80s, as was Houston (also on the list).

Exactly. Cities all over the country have industry that left. Not to the same degree or with the same brutal intensity of the collapse here. Also, collapse of the oil industry? You mean the price collapse in 1986? Which was followed by a return to those levels in 1993? And if I recall correctly, Houston seems to enjoy plenty of continued wealth from oil. The implied comparison does not even come close.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by metalforever

As a "millenial" I feel like they picked those cities at random. I've lived in 3 of the top cities.

1. San Francisco - Millenials probably can't afford it. Also Homeless people.
2. San Jose -Worst place for young people i've ever lived in.

But I agree with Austin. Because of UT, it's a great city for a young person to live in.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by Katiana

While Minneapolis and Denver did not have a dominant industry that collapsed, both have seen a lot of de-industrialization. Denver was also affected by the collapse of the oil industry in the early 80s, as was Houston (also on the list).

Houston's oil industry has more than recovered. I should know.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by J_Church

Yes, they cannot.

This is one of the main reasons my wife and I are moving. We have an affordable (for San Francisco) tiny one bedroom apartment that is rent-controlled. A two bedroom (which we would need if we were starting a family, etc) would be at least $1000 more a month than what we pay now. Craziness.

I've heard that's why there are more dogs than children in SF.

[Buckeye Burgher]

Originally Posted by Katiana

as was Houston (also on the list).

Houston is very much a boom-or-bust cycle economy, tied almost 100% to the oil industry.

When a barrel of oil sells high, it is one of the most prosperous cities in the country.
When it sells low, you can buy up foreclosed homes for pennies on the dollar.

Have spoken to a number of old-timers from this town, and it has always been thus.

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by metalforever

2. San Jose -Worst place for young people i've ever lived in.

Originally Posted by AaronPGH

And seconded on San Jose being a total wasteland for young people.

There is part of San Jose and Silicon Valley where people are quiet and corporate and shut in from the unsavory elements of mean society. There is also central San Jose, where plenty of students, artists, punks, "thugs," transients and all sorts live among bars and restaurants and venues...and words are often not in English.

Not shocking that hardcore Appalachian types wouldn't know the latter.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Der Schwabe

Exactly. Cities all over the country have industry that left. Not to the same degree or with the same brutal intensity of the collapse here. Also, collapse of the oil industry? You mean the price collapse in 1986? Which was followed by a return to those levels in 1993? And if I recall correctly, Houston seems to enjoy plenty of continued wealth from oil. The implied comparison does not even come close.

No, this:

Snapshot of Colorado

Divest the Denver Employees Retirement Plan from Fossil Fuels! | Fossil Free
**To oil shale's Black Sunday in 1982 - when Exxon pulled out of the Colony project - which sent the state economy into recession for years;**

Re: Houston-what Buckeye Burgher said. You apparently don't know your oil industry history very well.