01-21-2015, 09:34 AM
Location: Stanton Heights
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Sorry everyone! Apparently I am just plaster-challenged. I retract my previous slander of plaster walls.
01-21-2015, 09:35 AM
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plasterboard has been in use since the 1940's. much more stable than lath. if i could afford it i would get everything i do plastered. i trained with a plasterer, but i am not as fast as working with drywall.
01-21-2015, 09:35 AM
Location: Pittsburgh
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Originally Posted by
eschaton
I know you have a mid-century house. Maybe it's the difference between old plaster with wood lathe versus old plaster with metal mesh?
For a real 1915 house, you're going to need to shave some horses for hair to reinforce the plaster.
01-21-2015, 09:40 AM
Location: O'Hara Twp.
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Originally Posted by
guy2073
plasterboard has been in use since the 1940's. much more stable than lath. if i could afford it i would get everything i do plastered. i trained with a plasterer, but i am not as fast as working with drywall.
Last year we got quotes from a few drywall guys and a plaster guy for a small room. The plaster guy beat the price of each drywall guy.
01-21-2015, 09:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
theta_sigma
Sorry everyone! Apparently I am just plaster-challenged. I retract my previous slander of plaster walls.
I think with anything here it varies by house - (not a criticism at all) but in reality most pittsburgh homes were thrown up to house a couple of families & done so as cheaply as possible by builders. When it comes to poor plaster i'd guess some low lime content (again to save money) most likely.
I don't think the original builders ever foresaw people wanting to hang pictures and such directly on the plaster either (they used picture rail for that back in the day).
01-21-2015, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by
robrobrob
Last year we got quotes from a few drywall guys and a plaster guy for a small room. The plaster guy beat the price of each drywall guy.
small rooms can be done in a day, but with drywall i can coat for an hour and move onto something else. i have less man hours in drywall.
01-21-2015, 01:54 PM
Location: Crafton via San Francisco
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Originally Posted by
Der Schwabe
Hot water radiators would seem to be a better option than steam.
That's what I have in my 1900 home and I love it!
01-21-2015, 02:12 PM
Location: Crafton via San Francisco
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Originally Posted by
eschaton
I'I have to ask - why bother building a new house to a 1915 plan? It's not like Pittsburgh has a shortage of grand old homes, and you can surely buy and restore one much cheaper than you can build one from the ground up.
I was wondering the same thing myself. I relocated to Pittsburgh from SF a few years ago and bought a home built in 1900 that was in decent shape. Previous owners had added AC, dual pane windows, and updated all the electrical, with new panels and new wiring in all the walls. I had the house insulated with injection foam and remodeled the kitchen. The house has hot water radiator heat which I love. I had the hardwood floors refinished. I converted a tiny bedroom (about the size of a walk-in closet) into a second floor laundry room. I now have a historic home with all the modern conveniences I need. Unless there's a pressing reason to build a new "historic" home, if I were you I would find an older home in decent shape in the neighborhood where you want to live and renovate to suit your needs. Pittsburgh has so many great old houses, many with historic details intact, for very reasonable prices compared to NYC where I assume you're from. I agree with eschaton that this would be a much more cost effective way to go. I paid well under $200k for my home in Crafton. It's insured for over $500k because that's what it would cost to replace it. Even factoring in what I spent on remodeling, I am nowhere near $500k in expenses.
While I'm not a contractor, I do work in the home remodeling industry.
01-21-2015, 02:53 PM
Location: Pittsburgh
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
theta_sigma
Really? I don't think that home looks 1915-historic at all.
It isn't the point of the post, it shows a quality build. Those places have appreciated in a big way and are very well done. John
R Miller is who I would use. There are other builders I might use as well, but I have been out of the game for a few years.
01-21-2015, 02:54 PM
Location: Pittsburgh
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robrobrob
Last year we got quotes from a few drywall guys and a plaster guy for a small room. The plaster guy beat the price of each drywall guy.
Were you happy with the job?
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Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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