Downtown Macy's Closing (Pittsburgh, Homestead, Liberty: buyer, to live in, department stores)

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by TheYO

Parking at SouthSide Works is easier than any other shopping destination in the city aside from Waterworks.

x2 - SouthSide works is one of the easiest areas of the City to park in.

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Which is part of what makes a Vibrant retail scene downtown so hard to do, because Pittsburgh thrives on its Neighborhood it always has.

Parking downtown is a hassle, driving downtown is a hassle, and the forthcoming complete streets projects will only make it more so. Going to be hard to build vibrant retail when transportation to/from the stores is a hassle.

[UKyank]

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

x2 - SouthSide works is one of the easiest areas of the City to park in.

Parking downtown is a hassle, driving downtown is a hassle, and the forthcoming complete streets projects will only make it more so. Going to be hard to build vibrant retail when transportation to/from the stores is a hassle.

Downtown isn't about trying to attract people who's first thought is about parking... Guess what if you problem with town is Parking. Downtown's NOT catering to you, stay in the Burbs.

Downtown needs to cater to People who already live, work, or have easy access via public transit into town.... "My Car 1st" people, Keep your Asses in the Burbs!

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Downtown isn't about trying to attract people who's first thought is about parking... Guess what if you problem with town is Parking. Downtown's NOT catering to you, stay in the Burbs.

Downtown needs to cater to People who already live, work, or have easy access via public transit into town.... "My Car 1st" people, Keep your Asses in the Burbs!

That's the attitude that will keep it from working.

[Rakin]

See what happens when you stop selling Trumps line of Ties.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by erieguy

That's the attitude that will keep it from working.

No it is not ... Downtown being successful DOES NOT Depend on the burbs being able come to town and park for free ... You keep trying to convince yourself of that, but it's blatant fallacy.

Burbs have always been about the Malls, will always continue to be about the Malls. Downtown needs to focus on the Daytime Worker, who already needs to come Downtown, the Downtown Dweller, and people who have easy access to town without added expense of Traffic and Parking.

Stay at the Malls if your whole issue with Town is "Free Parking" ... Downtown WILL NEVER compete with the Malls "Free Parking" Perk, get it through your heads, and it DOES NOT NEED TO.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

No it is not ... Downtown being successful DOES NOT Depend on the burbs being able come to town and park for free ... You keep trying to convince yourself of that, but it's blatant fallacy.

Burbs have always been about the Malls, will always continue to be about the Malls. Downtown needs to focus on the Daytime Worker, who already needs to come Downtown, the Downtown Dweller, and people who have easy access to town without added expense of Traffic and Parking.

Stay at the Malls if your whole issue with Town is "Free Parking" ... Downtown WILL NEVER compete with the Malls "Free Parking" Perk, get it through your heads, and it DOES NOT NEED TO.

Not sure why people have this fallacy that people fail to visit the city because of paying to park. Garages are full of vehicles especially on the weekends. Even Zelie has parking meters. I could care less whether parking is free or not. Same goes for most everyone I know. The Malls work because of the convenience of many shops along with the ability to easily park. The majority doesn't want to carry bags of goods throughout the city or drive there for a few stores here and there.

[Tallysmom]

Originally Posted by doo dah

Jenkins Arcade, since we are talking Parker Button.

Parker Button is now in the South Side on Carson Street.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

No it is not ... Downtown being successful DOES NOT Depend on the burbs being able come to town and park for free ... You keep trying to convince yourself of that, but it's blatant fallacy.
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Burbs have always been about the Malls, will always continue to be about the Malls. Downtown needs to focus on the Daytime Worker, who already needs to come Downtown, the Downtown Dweller, and people who have easy access to town without added expense of Traffic and Parking.

Stay at the Malls if your whole issue with Town is "Free Parking" ... Downtown WILL NEVER compete with the Malls "Free Parking" Perk, get it through your heads, and it DOES NOT NEED TO.

I think you're putting too much faith in city dwellers desire to pay for parking. Downtown doesn't have the population yet to support retail alone & most people don't care to use mass transit if they have any major shopping to do, thus they way things are set up, most people in the city are likely to drive outside of the city (or go to the E. Liberty Target if they carry what you want) for their primary shopping needs rather then deal with the hassles of going downtown for things they can easily get elsewhere.

The only way for downtown shopping to thrive is for it to offer options that are not available elsewhere in the area, that will bring people in from both in & out of the city. That's pretty much what kept Saks running for as long as it did.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by UKyank

I think you're putting too much faith in city dwellers desire to pay for parking. Downtown doesn't have the population yet to support retail alone & most people don't care to use mass transit if they have any major shopping to do, thus they way things are set up, most people in the city are likely to drive outside of the city (or go to the E. Liberty Target if they carry what you want) for their primary shopping needs rather then deal with the hassles of going downtown for things they can easily get elsewhere.

The only way for downtown shopping to thrive is for it to offer options that are not available elsewhere in the area, that will bring people in from both in & out of the city. That's pretty much what kept Saks running for as long as it did.

Bingo.