How many shootings are there in this city and area? (Pittsburgh: 2013, crime)

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by bluecarebear

Yes. And there are also the census figures.

You are the first person I've ever heard to give a count for a four month period and claim to use census figures. There's probably a reason for that.

[gladhands]

[quote=Uptown kid;42668891]Shootings are on the rise for three reasons... Heroin, gang rivalries and the fact that the current generation handles their problems by busting guns not by balling fists (inter personal disputes/domestic violence)

[quote]"Shootings jumped to 189 from 148 (28 percent), and calls for shots fired rose to 3,059 from 2,330 (31 percent)."

Read more: Pittsburgh police uncertain why homicides down but gun violence up in 2015 | TribLIVE
That's 3,059 mainly the following: The North Side long standing hoods and declining neighborhoods; Homewood/East Hills/Larimer/Lincoln/Garfield; Beltzhoover/Knoxville/Allentown/Arlington/Carrick; the South Side/Strip District/Bloomfield on the weekends; Sheraden/"Greenway"; Hazelwood/Glen Hazel; Chauncey Drive/Skyline Terrace/Middle Hill and parts of Sugar Top & Lower Hill...



Pittsburgh Police: Number of homicides on decline, shootings on rise in 2015

The people who live in the areas gang neighborhoods have become so used to gun fire that many do not call the police VVV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDJrrtOuR5w
same place
12-Year-Old Boy, 2 Others Shot In Homewood « CBS Pittsburgh

This is patently false. Anyone who remembers what the 90s were like in any major city can tell you that "these kids today" are far less likely to shoot than teens from the crack era.

[Goinback2011]

Originally Posted by gladhands

This is patently false. Anyone who remembers what the 90s were like in any major city can tell you that "these kids today" are far less likely to shoot than teens from the crack era.

From a 1992 article:

The homicide rate here is almost 2 1/2 times lower than the average for cities of more than 250,000, says the FBI's 1990 Uniform Crime Reports

For example, Oakland, population 372,200, had 146 murders in 1990. Atlanta, with about 400,000 people, counted 231 homicides. Washington, D.C., had 472 murders. In the 10 years from 1981 to 1990, Pittsburgh had 402.

The Pittsburgh metropolitan area's homicide rate looks equally minuscule next to other areas. In a population of 2.05 million in four suburban and rural southwestern Pennsylvania counties, 67 people were murdered last year.

That's a metro murder rate of 3.3 per 100,000 people, compared to the U.S. average of 11. Los Angeles' metro rate was 19.9 per 100,000 last year; New Orleans' was 31.2. Metropolitan Oakland had 258 murders, for a rate of 12.4, in 1990.

DATELINE: PITTSBURGH, PA. : Where a Rising Murder Rate Is No Big Thing : In a city little changed in generations, strangers are easily noticed. Police have time to solve crimes. - latimes

[erieguy]

Interesting. Stats don't lie.

[Faerunner]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Interesting. Stats don't lie.

There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

There's nothing more malleable to support a range of different conclusions using the same data than a set of statistics.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Faerunner

There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

There's nothing more malleable to support a range of different conclusions using the same data than a set of statistics.

So you don't believe them? Are they randomly made up?

[Uptown kid]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

From a 1992 article: ...

DATELINE: PITTSBURGH, PA. : Where a Rising Murder Rate Is No Big Thing : In a city little changed in generations, strangers are easily noticed. Police have time to solve crimes. - latimes

That article is among the most hated article by anyone who actually lived here during the 90's. And at least IMO- anyone who lives outside Allegheny County is not really from Pittsburgh in terms of homicide stats.

What this also reflects is the poor black/white community and police's biggest fear. History repeating its self.
From 1990-1992 Pittsburgh downplayed increasing gang activity and summer time shootings. The very next year in 1993 it was horrendous in terms of crime. Find that LA Times article. In that article there was no manipulation of stats or downplaying of the city/Wilkinsburg/Mon Valley's gangs and their feuds which killed more than the mob in any year of the prohibition or simply more homicides than any year before.
There are some parallels between the local heroin epidemic which began 2011-2013 and the late 'Crack' 80's-early 90's, but at the same time not really. In 2014 the new police chief downplayed gangs, now he's admitted to the same gang's retaliating being the leading cause of murder along with "the drug trade". Homicides are down this year???so f***ng what if you live in Homewood North on Brushton Avenue or in the Hill District @ Chauncey Drive where there are shootings every week during some parts of the year. The current police chief understands this; whereas many of you all have expressed that you don't. These numbers are not low if you consider who is effected by the violence/where the murders-shootings occur. If you frequent most of: Larimer-Lincoln-Homewood-East Hills-Wilkinsburg or parts of the: Mon-Turtle Creek-Yough Valley, Hill District, Hazelwood/Glen Hazel area, North Side, outer West End/McKees Rocks area or Southern Hilltop, then you live in a different place than the glamorized Pittsburgh- not physically effected by the stories behind the numbers. A Pittsburgh poised for growth, good ecomomics and generational education successful strides/acoplishments
Every 12 year old from the ghetto in the 412 knows someone who's been shot last year. Every 13 year old knows someone with a gun. Every 14 year old hss a peer their age who's shot one before. It's a pipeline and never ending cycle.

With as much violence there is daily in this city it's a miracle there were not more homicides. More people have been paralyzed, shot it the head, shot through their organs and shot in the private extremities, but hey at least we have less homicides than last year and less than other more forsaken parts of the nation right.

What also is not being understood here is that there is a tale of two cities being expressed in each one of these 189 shootings. As Google/Microsoft, CMU/University of Pittsburgh, UPMC/Highmark continue to expand and the Squirrel Hills, Shadysides, Point Breezes, along with the Lawrencevilles/South Sides, East Libs/Lower Northsides continue get better.
Everywhere else is still left out and just as worse off as post mill Pittsburgh. Facebook moving to Pittsburgh does not even indirectly help East Hills or North View at all. Gentrification ONLY benefits people who are not typical African Americans, low income "yinzers" and over a certain family income. Gentrification and public housing closers did not help Garfield, East Liberty, Central Northside or the Lower Hill's long term residents, rather it just moved them out to declining outer city neighborhoods or inner suburbs.
The youth subjected to disenfranchisement and pressures to sell dope and join local neighborhood gangs such as the Hill Districk Bloods sub sets, Garfield Bloods, City Bound Gangsters (Western Wilkinsburg), Hoodtown Mafia (Central Northside north of Jacksonia-Hemlock St besides Federal St/Beuna Vista St and soon Montery St), 1200 Manchester Original Gangsters, etc. still fall, and the gangs exist despite tremendous levels of gentrification.
Even though the projects were torn down the following gangs relocated or simply moved back in: G-Block/Bentley Drive Gang, Flackside Riders Bloodgang, Lost City-Reed Rude Boyz, East Hills Bloods, Darccide Crips, 3200 Arlington Heights (Grape Street) Crips, Westside Convictz, Terrace Boyz, etc. As ecomically and in society things have not gotten better for them or the people of Sheraden/Elliott/Greenway, McKees Rocks, Allentown, Arlington, Knoxville, Mt Oliver, Penn Hills, Swissvale, Sugar Top/scattered parts of the Hill, etc.

Culturally the ghettos are no better than they were in the crack days; thus, for today's youth things are more hopeless.

[guy2073]

The amount of shootings that are unreported must be enormous. When I work in beltzhoover area I hear gun fire all the time. I also hear it in north Braddock and McKeesport areas.

I wonder if there are any stats on how many times the gun fire detectors have gone off in Homewood?

[Uptown kid]

1st reported shooting this week in Mt. Oliver Boro ...
Hopefully the good and bad residents of non-glamorized Pittsburgh neighborhoods have a week with less gunfire... the following were all just last week:
Man Shot in Lincoln-Lemington
Female shot fatally in Homewood North
Fatal shooting in Observatory Hill
Double homicide in the West End
Another Homewood North shooting
Fatal Shooting in Mt. Washington (in an atypical location)
Shooting in Beltzhoover
Hazelwood man injured in Hill District shooting
Homewood's first shooting of the week

We all know that the Mon Valley has seen its fair share of violence in its rapidly declining-rock bottom status communities... BUT GUESS WHAT? Soon so will the Turtle Creek Valley
Shooting near North Braddock Heights (not 'southern North Braddocc') connected to shooting in Turtle Creek?

[Goinback2011]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

That article is among the most hated article by anyone who actually lived here during the 90's. And at least IMO- anyone who lives outside Allegheny County is not really from Pittsburgh in terms of homicide stats.

What this also reflects is the poor black/white community and police's biggest fear. History repeating its self.
From 1990-1992 Pittsburgh downplayed increasing gang activity and summer time shootings. The very next year in 1993 it was horrendous in terms of crime. Find that LA Times article. In that article there was no manipulation of stats or downplaying of the city/Wilkinsburg/Mon Valley's gangs and their feuds which killed more than the mob in any year of the prohibition or simply more homicides than any year before.

That is an L A times article.