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[Goinback2011]

The division in the country is between globalists and nationalists. Currently both parties represent the former. Pandering to those who want more free stuff from taxpayers or, on the other side, religious people, is simply the tactic each has used to get elected.

Most big donors contribute to both parties and their interests are represented by both.

[norcider]

Originally Posted by UKyank

Isn't this the same though with both parties. The fringe groups on both the right & left that represent an extreme minority of the country at large are pandered to, to form a coalition of idiocracy in order to ensure votes in the primary regardless of their deviciness .

failing to see both parties as repulsive is the main issue.

Oh I do see both parties as repulsive, the GOP edges out the Dems for being dirtier/more underhanded. I don't see Bernie getting the nomination, the hidden powers that be won't allow it. So I just may not vote in this election. Truly is like choosing which STD you want.

[Merge]

Originally Posted by UKyank

Isn't this the same though with both parties. The fringe groups on both the right & left that represent an extreme minority of the country at large are pandered to, to form a coalition of idiocracy in order to I sure votes in the primary.

failing to see both parties as repulsive is the main issue.

That's pretty disingenuous. It's been clear that the main driver behind delivering our political system to the corporate interests has been the GOP all along. All of the Republican Party's rhetoric is centered on it. Yes... the Democrats have been complicit as well. But the GOP has been out there in front all along. What faction of the Supreme Court made sure to deliver Citizens United to its masters? The Republicans.


Now that disgust has reached an all-time high and people are starting to direct their animosity toward those that were out there in the forefront of the corporatization of America.... now that the Republicans are finally facing the brunt of the blame that they so richly deserve... now you want to spread the blame around.


That's convenient.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by Merge

That's pretty disingenuous. It's been clear that the main driver behind delivering our political system to the corporate interests has been the GOP all along. All of the Republican Party's rhetoric is centered on it. Yes... the Democrats have been complicit as well. But the GOP has been out there in front all along. What faction of the Supreme Court made sure to deliver Citizens United to its masters? The Republicans.

Now that disgust has reached an all-time high and people are starting to direct their animosity toward those that were out there in the forefront of the corporatization of America.... now that the Republicans are finally facing the brunt of the blame that they so richly deserve... now you want to spread the blame around.

That's convenient.

I wasn't focusing on any single issue, there's a lot more fringe groups/movements than just those involved for & against corporate interests.

I much prefer the UK election system that has enough viable parties that the most nutty citizens get sopped up by one or more fringe parties leaving the main parties with much more sane (relatively speaking anyways) policies as the pandering to kooks is much lessened as they're not getting the crazy vote anyways.

That being said, I fully support the Brexit

[Pughnose]

Originally Posted by norcider

...So I just may not vote in this election. Truly is like choosing which STD you want.

Interesting metaphor -- given the choice between an affliction from which I can recover and one that would do permanent irreparable damage, I would rather make that choice, thanks. I will be voting this November, more against than for, but voting still.

[Goinback2011]

Another good thing Trump has achieved is relieving a lot of GOP donors of their money via donations to Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.

[tclifton]

Originally Posted by UKyank

I wasn't focusing on any single issue, there's a lot more fringe groups/movements than just those involved for & against corporate interests.

I think part of the problem is that everyone has their own custom view of the world now. There are websites and newscasts that people can view/read and get their news from that will only tell them things that they agree with. They'll never be challenged in their ideas/beliefs so they become entrenched and slowly slide away from reason and out to the extreme.

[norcider]

Originally Posted by Pughnose

Interesting metaphor -- given the choice between an affliction from which I can recover and one that would do permanent irreparable damage, I would rather make that choice, thanks. I will be voting this November, more against than for, but voting still.

I see your point, thanks.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by UKyank

I much prefer the UK election system that has enough viable parties that the most nutty citizens get sopped up by one or more fringe parties leaving the main parties with much more sane (relatively speaking anyways) policies as the pandering to kooks is much lessened as they're not getting the crazy vote anyways.

That being said, I fully support the Brexit

Who is sane in British politics though?
SNP's Nicola Sturgeon seems off her rocker with talking about a second referendum, esp given the cheap price of oil.. The North Sea won't be subsidizing SNP's socialistic utopia.

Labour.. Corbyn seems even more left-wing than Sanders

Lib Dems are irrelevant

Tories seem competent, but they are reviled by anyone not a Tory

UKIP are fringe

The Northern Irish parties seem like a bunch of nutters, other than say the Alliance Party - which is also inconsequential

Who's that leave? Plaid Cymru? I'm not familiar enough with them to comment.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by UKyank

Isn't this the same though with both parties. The fringe groups on both the right & left that represent an extreme minority of the country at large are pandered to, to form a coalition of idiocracy in order to ensure votes in the primary regardless of their divisiveness .

failing to see both parties as repulsive is the main issue.

Don't forget the effect of legislative gerrymandering. The approval rating of Congress is abysmal, yet the re-election rate for Congressmen is astronomically high. The seats are so safe that for many Congressional races, the only election that really matters is the primary election. Hence the inability to conduct bipartisan negotiations in DC for fear of being ousted by a more ideologically pure challenger from within one's own party.

I'm convinced we have to abolish House districts and elect the House from across the nation based off of party-list proportional representation electoral system.