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Old 06-13-2016, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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People in high-tech are snobs.
Very true. Just look at the change of attitude on this sub-forum now that we've become a hip, trendy tech city.
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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I don't think it's something inherent to high-tech. It's just that high-tech usually means high-salary, which allows you to be a snob. I know plenty of fry cooks and baristas who would avoid the masses and look down their nose from private shuttles and flashy new apartments if they could afford to.
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Old 06-13-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Keep in mind, if that is approved, it is done so through the Department of Public Works and the Mayor's office.

Don't blame high techies as snobs. Who ISN'T a snob anymore?

Blame those who would ALLOW this to occur. And I agree with MountainDewGuy - it is disturbing that it was even proposed to have usage of a road be exclusive to some. It hasn't been approved yet, to my knowledge anyway.

Let's keep an eye on this.
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Old 06-13-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Manchester
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It’s not supposed to be a regular road is it? If it’s like a busway, then of course regular car drivers wouldn’t be allowed to use it. Perhaps the issue is that regular folks can’t walk down to the office park at ALMONO and catch the the bus to Oakland. Is that the fuss? Or do they want it to stop in the neighborhood and pick and drop people off? Either way, sheesh...
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Old 06-13-2016, 05:39 PM
 
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It’s not supposed to be a regular road is it? If it’s like a busway, then of course regular car drivers wouldn’t be allowed to use it. Perhaps the issue is that regular folks can’t walk down to the office park at ALMONO and catch the the bus to Oakland. Is that the fuss? Or do they want it to stop in the neighborhood and pick and drop people off? Either way, sheesh...
Busway and potentially eventually automated. Part of the fuss is the city didnt get neighborhood approval. It's not clear to me that it's a techie only bus but maybe somebody has some links to more specific news I haven't read. Mostly it's older people that don't want noise in their neighborhood, I thought.
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Old 06-13-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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I don't think it's something inherent to high-tech. It's just that high-tech usually means high-salary, which allows you to be a snob. I know plenty of fry cooks and baristas who would avoid the masses and look down their nose from private shuttles and flashy new apartments if they could afford to.
I don't even know that I'd call it "looking down on" - I see far more verbal abuse towards highly paid tech workers than I see snobbery from the nerds towards the hoi polloi, at least on city data. No nerd I know ever got his panties in a twist because people wore pajamas to the grocery. I'm not a shuttle rider myself but it's not my fault a bunch of Millennials in the Mission District were on basically a vanpool on steroids because they were too urban and special to live anywhere near Mountain View. If they'd lived in the Valley, if there were enough apartments in the Valley TO live in, they'd get flak on CD for being soulless suburbanites guzzling too much gas. You seriously cannot win.
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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It’s not supposed to be a regular road is it? If it’s like a busway, then of course regular car drivers wouldn’t be allowed to use it. Perhaps the issue is that regular folks can’t walk down to the office park at ALMONO and catch the the bus to Oakland. Is that the fuss? Or do they want it to stop in the neighborhood and pick and drop people off? Either way, sheesh...
The fuss is that it would be a private shuttle, and not a public transit route. I think another issue is that it would use up some of the park land.

A private shuttle itself isn't a problem, but creating a new road on public land just for private shuttles definitely is.
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:50 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Pittsburgh is up against Austin, Texas; Columbus, Ohio; Kansas City; Denver; and San Francisco for a $50 million grant to make Pittsburgh a smart city in its traffic flow.

Peduto lays out vision for 'smart' street grid | TribLIVE

Pittsburgh has a good shot with CMU and Pitt behind it as well as PennDOT for expertise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSuKyhIbZrU

I'm all for it, but I don't want LRT left out. The grant money can't buy it, but it's still useful for those high traffic hours, and would allow people to have a carless life if they so choose.
The video is slightly incorrect. We still have massive issues with air pollution (and fracking). If Pittsburgh (and Pennsylvania) truly wants to be progressive, then we need to stop building these plants and put a ban on fracking statewide.

Most Polluted Cities - American Lung Association | State of the Air 2015

//www.city-data.com/forum/pitts...ker-plant.html
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Stanton Heights
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Pennsylvania doesn't really want to be progressive. It's tough for Pittsburgh to control what goes on in outlying counties and West Virginia/Ohio, which we are downwind of.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Pennsylvania doesn't really want to be progressive. It's tough for Pittsburgh to control what goes on in outlying counties and West Virginia/Ohio, which we are downwind of.
Allegheny County:

Group plans to sue U.S. Steel for Clairton air pollution violations | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Toxic Ten | PennEnvironment
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