Baby boomers leaving jobs in Pittsburgh creating openings

[gg]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Denver has more college graduates than Pittsburgh.
Denver Colorado Demographics and Population Statistics
"Denver is the most educated city in the U.S. Denver has the greatest percentage of high school and college graduates of any major metropolitan area in the U.S.; 92.1% of the population in the metro area have high school diplomas and 35% have at least a bachelor’s degree, according to the U.S. Census. The national average is 81.7% for high school diplomas and 23% with a college degree." Yet, Denver has about 33% more kids 5-15 than Pittsburgh.

Denver is 150 sq. miles, 50 mi. of which is airport. I believe Pittsburgh does not count its airport in its square mileage. So Denver is about twice as big, and has twice the population. Basically the same density. What's your documentation for that statement in bold?

That may be true, but the quality of education out that way is suspect at best. Not very good schooling compared to the competitive northeast. Here is an example of your residents. Lets not pretend here. This is the real Colorado. You know it and I know it. Enjoy!

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[_Buster]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Denver has more college graduates than Pittsburgh.
Denver Colorado Demographics and Population Statistics
"Denver is the most educated city in the U.S. Denver has the greatest percentage of high school and college graduates of any major metropolitan area in the U.S.; 92.1% of the population in the metro area have high school diplomas and 35% have at least a bachelor’s degree, according to the U.S. Census. The national average is 81.7% for high school diplomas and 23% with a college degree." Yet, Denver has about 33% more kids 5-15 than Pittsburgh.

Denver is 150 sq. miles, 50 mi. of which is airport. I believe Pittsburgh does not count its airport in its square mileage. So Denver is about twice as big, and has twice the population. Basically the same density. What's your documentation for that statement in bold?

You misread the post. He said a high number of college and graduate students within the city. Students generally don't have children until they get full time jobs and settle down.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by gg

That may be true, but the quality of education out that way is suspect at best. Not very good schooling compared to the competitive northeast. Here is an example of your residents. Lets not pretend here. This is the real Colorado. You know it and I know it. Enjoy!

Rollin' Coal is upsetting Fort Collins Residents - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com

Oh, for God's sake! You cannot be serious! Well, I suppose you can, if you never leave Pittsburgh or "the competitive northeast". The story didn't even happen in Denver.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by _Buster

You misread the post. He said a high number of college and graduate students within the city. Students generally don't have children until they get full time jobs and settle down.

So how's that different from most cities? And as usual, eschaton gets into his racial thing, implying that non-whites have larger families.

CU-Denver-14,333 students
University of Denver-11,797
Metropolitan State University of Denver-23,789

In addition, some students from the Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora live in Denver.

[_Buster]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

So how's that different from most cities? And as usual, eschaton gets into his racial thing, implying that non-whites have larger families.

CU-Denver-14,333 students
University of Denver-11,797
Metropolitan State University of Denver-23,789

In addition, some students from the Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora live in Denver.

It's a much larger percentage of Pittsburgh's city population, given its much smaller land area within city limits. College students are at least 20%.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

So how's that different from most cities? And as usual, eschaton gets into his racial thing, implying that non-whites have larger families.

It's not true of Asians, but it is true of black mothers and particularly Latino mothers. Considering Pittsburgh has a relatively small black population, and a very nominal Latino population, it absolutely plays a role in why we don't have as many children as say Philadelphia - which isn't a city known for having a better K-12 education system than ours.

Originally Posted by _Buster

It's a much larger percentage of Pittsburgh's city population, given its much smaller land area within city limits. College students are at least 20%.

I actually worked out the math today. Adding up just the undergrads and grad students from Pitt, CMU, Duquense, Carlow, Chatham, and Point Park University, you come out to around 60,000 students in a city of roughly 300,000. Of course, some of these students likely live in the suburbs, but on the other hand, there are other schools in Pittsburgh, like the Art Institute branch and the seminaries. So 20% of Pittsburgh being college students is a good rough estimate.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by eschaton

It's not true of Asians, but it is true of black mothers and particularly Latino mothers. Considering Pittsburgh has a relatively small black population, and a very nominal Latino population, it absolutely plays a role in why we don't have as many children as say Philadelphia - which isn't a city known for having a better K-12 education system than ours.





I actually worked out the math today. Adding up just the undergrads and grad students from Pitt, CMU, Duquense, Carlow, Chatham, and Point Park University, you come out to around 60,000 students in a city of roughly 300,000. Of course, some of these students likely live in the suburbs, but on the other hand, there are other schools in Pittsburgh, like the Art Institute branch and the seminaries. So 20% of Pittsburgh being college students is a good rough estimate.

OK on the number of college students. I will point out that PhD students, med students, etc often have families.

However, with this racial stuff:

Pittsburgh's black population is significantly higher than Denver's; 27.12% to 9.8%, almost 3X.

Your chart is for women 40-44 years of age; older women who are done (or almost done) with childbearing. Research shows that within 1-2 generations of migrating, Hispanic women have similar size families as Caucasians. https://www.pop.org/content/hispanic...-usa-shrinking

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

OK on the number of college students. I will point out that PhD students, med students, etc often have families.

This is true. However, you're significantly more likely to delay your first child until well into your thirties if you have an advanced degree. Hence while some graduate students will have children, they'll be less likely to have kids than another person of the same age, meaning more graduate students also decreases the number of children. Particularly children over the age of five.

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

However, with this racial stuff:

Pittsburgh's black population is significantly higher than Denver's; 27.12% to 9.8%, almost 3X.

Your chart is for women 40-44 years of age; older women who are done (or almost done) with childbearing. Research shows that within 1-2 generations of migrating, Hispanic women have similar size families as Caucasians. https://www.pop.org/content/hispanic...-usa-shrinking

I believe they used older women because by the time most women are in the 40-44 range, almost all of them are done with childbearing. Thus it's the best estimate we can get of the ultimate family size for different demographic groups. Though of course as you noted, the birth rate is falling for everyone - well, except for a few groups like the Amish and the Hasids. But all things considered, if a city has more Latinos right now, it will have more children. 20-40 years from now, that probably won't be the case.