The Burgh top city for Millennials (Pittsburgh, Erie: school, subsidized, living)

[charisb]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Yes, coming for work is the norm, although people do move to some places, particularly in the sunbelt, without jobs.

The article title and some of the article itself implied people were coming to Pittsburgh for other things. "But there’s more to the attraction than education and business opportunities. The quality of life plays a big part, said Rebecca Bagley, the University of Pittsburgh’s vice chancellor for economic partnerships."

Of course a lot of people who move to the sunbelt without jobs are retirees.
And Bagley's quote actually highlights my earlier point--educated people have choices when selecting jobs, and quality of life are a part of that. My husband and I were offered positions at three other universities and we chose Pitt in part because we liked Pittsburgh. In fact, I don't know anyone who tool a job here because it was the only job they could get.
Quality of life is pretty good here. These forums are not representative, but it is interesting to me that most of the people who are positive about the city actually live in the city, and the negative people live in the suburbs or in another place entirely.
Of course when those of us who actually live in the city make positive comments about the city, we are accused of being 'cheerleaders'.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Goinback2011

There's plenty of data that says you're wrong.

Millennials Prefer Single-Family Homes in the Suburbs - WSJ

You guys are arguing something entirely different.

First off, one should consider that there are, in numeric terms, far more millennials than there are generation xers. This chart's a few years old now, but it clearly shows that there is a peak in terms of population around 1989 to 1994 or so.



Why is this important? Because this means there is a significant bulge of people around ages 27-22. This has always been the prime age for people who want to live in the city to live in the city. Thus even if you presume that millennials have tastes no different from the last generation, since there are a larger number, it means by definition there will be more interested in living in cities.

Second, it can be both true that a slightly higher percentage of millennials are interested in urban living, while still being true that the majority have suburban aspirations. Cities were so unpopular for so long (at least among middle class people) that they really had nowhere to go but up.

My understanding is the total amount of young people living in cities has actually declined over the last decade slightly. But that decline is mostly due to lower-income young people leaving the cities for the suburbs. Certainly when you look at the smaller sub-grouping of young people with college or graduate degrees, there is ample evidence that a real return to the city is underway.

[ny789987]

A Pittsburgh suburb offers the best of both worlds. You can have a affordable house with a nice yard with deer on it, yet have a short drive to enjoy city amenities. Most other east coast cities can't compete with this. A lot of other cities do ultra-urban well and it is not something that makes the city unique and stand out. What really makes the area stand out is the affordable middle class suburbs with access to both urban and rural amenities.

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by ny789987

A Pittsburgh suburb offers the best of both worlds. You can have a affordable house with a nice yard with deer on it, yet have a short drive to enjoy city amenities. Most other east coast cities can't compete with this. A lot of other cities do ultra-urban well and it is not something that makes the city unique and stand out.

I live in the city of Pittsburgh and I enjoy the same lifestyle. Sadly there are just as many deer in the city as there are in the suburbs. Add fox, wild turkey, bald eagles, and falcons to the mix as well.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

You need to get out more. Go visit the Denver forum. I have literally never, ever heard anyone there complain about suburbanites using city facilities and not paying their fair share (of whatever). I concede there may have been a few, but it's too rare for me to even remember.

Funny how you once tried to tell me Beaver Falls was lily white. But a lot of the burbs are pretty white in Pittsburgh.

This is because Denver is not in a deep Culture War with itself. I keep saying this and people keep glossing over it. It permeates through out everything Pittsburgh right now, even this sub-forum. There's a "new" Pittsburgh culture which has mostly taken over the city, and county for that matter. As the City and County government are No Longer deep adversaries like in 90's, but now are in strong alliance with each other, thanks in part to having 2 progressive leaders in Peduto and Fitzgerald. I also commend both for being stead fast in their progessive goals of moving this region forward, regardless of the backlash that permeates from the Yinzers.

Yinzers, "Old Pittsburgh" is fighting to keep Pittsburgh the way the know it, stuck in the 80's and 90's life. Structural, social, and Technological changes goes against their every being. The Yinzer minds and their sympathizers on this board will vehemently deny it, because truth is hard pill to swallow, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Until the Culture war is won, by one mindset eradicating the other, this type of visceral opposition will continue to paralyze the population along deep "New" Pittsburgh vs. "Old" Pittsburgh lines.

What "New" Pittsburgh mindsets need to do, is not give into that Yinzer mindset. We need to keep marching forward, keep progressively changing the city for the better. There will always be noise makers, they can only be as loud as you let them. Change is very hard for a once very Entrenched, Insular, Isolated, Left Behind region, but they will once realize that will further be left behind if they continue deny the evolution of the region. Yinzer can try to escape the city and Allegheny county to one of further left behind collar counties, but that will only last for a matter of time, eventually Pittsburgh and Allegheny Counties progressiveness will start to infiltrate the collar counties. Then were do the Yinzers go, way up into the i-80 corridor?


The Culture War in this Region is real folks, take of the blinders for god-sakes.

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

I asked Blackbeauty2012 to show us where these people are coming from, and she did not respond to my request.

I ignored you because its kind of plain common sense as to where they're coming from.

One of the biggest, if not THE biggest attributes of migration to Pittsburgh is its availability of Big-City amenities and the fact that its still Cheap. Relative word being "CHEAP" what is Pittsburgh cheap in comparison to?

again good ol'fashion common sense would say it not Cleveland, or Buffalo. It's the Eye-Gouging COL in the Coastal cities. People are not moving from Cleveland, Buffalo, or Kansas City to Pittsburgh because of the "Cheap" factor. They may move here for other reason, but COL isn't one of them.

[ny789987]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Then were do the Yinzers go, way up into the i-80 corridor?

Wow. If only the pesky locals would just disappear. Why don't we just put them in re-education camps? We can re-educate them on progressive values.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by ny789987

Wow. Why don't we just put them in re-education camps? We can re-educate them on progressive values.

When you're that deeply marinated in your stubbornness to change or evolution, their probably will be no "Re-education" in a Yinzers future.

It's harsh, but the truth needs to be told, don't care how much hatred that gets me. Folks on this board should know that by now.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by gladhands

We debunked the numbers from that link a couple months ago. I don't know why were discussing that, or Denver. There's a Denver forum AND city versus city forum, for those interested in that sort of thing.

I was not the one who bought up the cost of Denver housing.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

I live in the city of Pittsburgh and I enjoy the same lifestyle. Sadly there are just as many deer in the city as there are in the suburbs. Add fox, wild turkey, bald eagles, and falcons to the mix as well.

You left out the stupid raccoon and possum. The deer aren't scattering my trash.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

This is because Denver is not in a deep Culture War with itself. I keep saying this and people keep glossing over it. It permeates through out everything Pittsburgh right now, even this sub-forum. There's a "new" Pittsburgh culture which has mostly taken over the city, and county for that matter. As the City and County government are No Longer deep adversaries like in 90's, but now are in strong alliance with each other, thanks in part to having 2 progressive leaders in Peduto and Fitzgerald. I also commend both for being stead fast in their progessive goals of moving this region forward, regardless of the backlash that permeates from the Yinzers.

Yinzers, "Old Pittsburgh" is fighting to keep Pittsburgh the way the know it, stuck in the 80's and 90's life. Structural, social, and Technological changes goes against their every being. The Yinzer minds and their sympathizers on this board will vehemently deny it, because truth is hard pill to swallow, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Until the Culture war is won, by one mindset eradicating the other, this type of visceral opposition will continue to paralyze the population along deep "New" Pittsburgh vs. "Old" Pittsburgh lines.

What "New" Pittsburgh mindsets need to do, is not give into that Yinzer mindset. We need to keep marching forward, keep progressively changing the city for the better. There will always be noise makers, they can only be as loud as you let them. Change is very hard for a once very Entrenched, Insular, Isolated, Left Behind region, but they will once realize that will further be left behind if they continue deny the evolution of the region. Yinzer can try to escape the city and Allegheny county to one of further left behind collar counties, but that will only last for a matter of time, eventually Pittsburgh and Allegheny Counties progressiveness will start to infiltrate the collar counties. Then were do the Yinzers go, way up into the i-80 corridor?


The Culture War in this Region is real folks, take of the blinders for god-sakes.



I ignored you because its kind of plain common sense as to where they're coming from.

One of the biggest, if not THE biggest attributes of migration to Pittsburgh is its availability of Big-City amenities and the fact that its still Cheap. Relative word being "CHEAP" what is Pittsburgh cheap in comparison to?

again good ol'fashion common sense would say it not Cleveland, or Buffalo. It's the Eye-Gouging COL in the Coastal cities. People are not moving from Cleveland, Buffalo, or Kansas City to Pittsburgh because of the "Cheap" factor. They may move here for other reason, but COL isn't one of them.

There is no such thing as "common sense ". You can't provide any stats. Mmkay.