What are Pittsburgh's peer cities? (Indiana, Dallas: buy, schools, colleges)

[james777]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

The Allegheny Institute considers these cities "peers".

Cities selected to compare with Pittsburgh include St. Louis (MO), Minneapolis (MN),
Cincinnati (OH), Arlington (TX), Anaheim (CA), Tampa (FL), Wichita (KS), Colorado
Springs (CO), and Raleigh (NC). Because of data and geographic mix considerations,
Miami (FL), Toledo (OH), Honolulu (HI), and Santa Ana (CA) were not included.

Saying that Arlington, TX is a peer city to Pittsburgh, PA is like saying that Monroeville, PA is a peer city to Dallas, TX. The Allegheny Institute should stick to politics because they obviously don't know much about cities.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by Delco21

Pittsburgh is mostly a city of residents from there. You have a vocal minority in a few select city neighborhoods of transplants. A few of them post on this board. When you read those best lists there are 3 or 4 neighborhoods ever talked about as up and coming. When you read city data it makes Pittsburgh to be only east liberty or lawrenceville. Granted they turned a corner. What about the 80 other neighborhoods in a struggle for survival? A 2 square mile area does not make a city.

Pittsburgh has tons of cheap houses in large swaths of the city. Cleveland is the same way. The reason these large swaths are cheap is desirability. Nobody wants to live there. All those hardcore city dwellers refuse to put money where their mouth is. Why not invest in a Sheridan, carrick or Marshall shade land if you are hardcore about living in the city? Those same people complain about the housing crisis mirage in the east end. Non of them will pony up the money to live in an affordable yet undesirable neighborhood.

I've spent 4 hours in Cleveland in my whole life (I saw Michael Jackon's glove), so I'll leave that aside. And I agree that on the whole Ohio has a better state government than Pennsylvania.

But it is nonsense to say that 80 other neighborhood struggle for survival. In addition to up and coming neighborhoods, there are huge areas that never really declined. Squirrel Hill is, for example, by itself three square miles and like 9% of the city. The few neighborhoods that get talked about often constitute a very large portion of the city, a majority of it, depending on how you are counting. And while people here do complain about the housing crisis, it is very clear that large numbers of people have and are putting up the money to live in affordable neighborhoods.

[Vanderbiltgrad]

Why does everyone blast Columbus OH I grew up in Cincy and Columbus is def the best city in Ohio in my opinion I always have a great time when I am in Columbus. Columbus is a really socially progressive city for the Midwest.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by Vanderbiltgrad

Why does everyone blast Columbus OH I grew up in Cincy and Columbus is def the best city in Ohio in my opinion I always have a great time when I am in Columbus. Columbus is a really socially progressive city for the Midwest.

Ever since they closed Deibel's, it's been no fun getting drunk in Columbus.

[james777]

-first tier cities: New York

-second tier cities: Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia

-third tier cities (all are peer cities of Pittsburgh): Boston, Baltimore, Washington, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Minneapolis/St. Paul, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Phoenix, San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego, Seattle

-all of the above are the cities that have been in those positions for several decades, with the exception of Charlotte, which is a newcomer

-possibility of being added to the third tier someday: San Jose, Buffalo, Nashville, Memphis, San Antonio, Tampa, Indianapolis, Columbus

-cities far below, or not worth mentioning: Providence, Rochester, Hartford, New Haven, Salt Lake City, Tulsa, Sacramento, Virginia Beach, Mayberry, Norfolk, Hooterville, Raleigh

[MountainDewGuy]

Originally Posted by james777

-first tier cities: New York

-second tier cities: Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia

-third tier cities (all are peer cities of Pittsburgh): Boston, Baltimore, Washington, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Minneapolis/St. Paul, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Phoenix, San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego, Seattle

-all of the above are the cities that have been in those positions for several decades, with the exception of Charlotte, which is a newcomer

-possibility of being added to the third tier someday: San Jose, Buffalo, Nashville, Memphis, San Antonio, Tampa, Indianapolis, Columbus

-cities far below, or not worth mentioning: Providence, Rochester, Hartford, New Haven, Salt Lake City, Tulsa, Sacramento, Virginia Beach, Mayberry, Norfolk, Hooterville, Raleigh

Let's start with the first peer city on your list. Boston. It's not close to being a peer city of Pittsburgh. Have you ever been there?

[gladhands]

Originally Posted by MountainDewGuy

Let's start with the first peer city on your list. Boston. It's not close to being a peer city of Pittsburgh. Have you ever been there?

He's obviously joking. See Mayberry.

having moved here from Boston, I have to say that Pittsburgh clearly occupies a lower tier than Pittsburgh. That said, I MUCH prefer Pittsburgh. Boston's big problem is that it's priced higher than the actual tier it occupies.

What I'm gathering from this thread, is that Pittsburgh is probably the class of its tier. Baltimore is the only one of Pittsburgh's peer cities that offers more in terms of amenities, but it's significantly more expensive and has much higher crime.

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by MountainDewGuy

Let's start with the first peer city on your list. Boston. It's not close to being a peer city of Pittsburgh. Have you ever been there?

Should have stopped reading before I got to SF. That is just loony.

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by gladhands

He's obviously joking. See Mayberry.

having moved here from Boston, I have to say that Pittsburgh clearly occupies a lower tier than Pittsburgh. That said, I MUCH prefer Pittsburgh. Boston's big problem is that it's priced higher than the actual tier it occupies.

What I'm gathering from this thread, is that Pittsburgh is probably the class of its tier. Baltimore is the only one of Pittsburgh's peer cities that offers more in terms of amenities, but it's significantly more expensive and has much higher crime.

Pittsburgh is the Pittsburgh of Pittsburgh.

[james777]

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Originally Posted by james777 View Post
-first tier cities: New York

-second tier cities: Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia

-third tier cities (all are peer cities of Pittsburgh): Boston, Baltimore, Washington, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Minneapolis/St. Paul, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Phoenix, San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego, Seattle

-all of the above are the cities that have been in those positions for several decades, with the exception of Charlotte, which is a newcomer

-possibility of being added to the third tier someday: San Jose, Buffalo, Nashville, Memphis, San Antonio, Tampa, Indianapolis, Columbus

-cities far below, or not worth mentioning: Providence, Rochester, Hartford, New Haven, Salt Lake City, Tulsa, Sacramento, Virginia Beach, Mayberry, Norfolk, Hooterville, Raleigh

Originally Posted by MountainDewGuy

Let's start with the first peer city on your list. Boston. It's not close to being a peer city of Pittsburgh. Have you ever been there?

Yes, I have not only been there, but I know it pretty well. Why is it not a peer city of Pittsburgh, in your view?