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Old 12-04-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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You have the ability to differentiate between city and suburban drivers? Everyone I know who lives in the city has at least 1 vehicle. I feel most city streets in residential areas are filled with resident owned vehicles.
Owning a car doesn't equate to supporting anything and everything that is pro-car. I live in the city and I own a car, yet I still very much support bike and pedestrian infrastructure, even if it makes my own car trips a smidgen less easy.

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Automobiles aren't going anywhere and expanding the infrastructure for them is not a bad thing and it will never end. While there's additional bike infrastructure taking place, the bicycle isn't going to replace the automobile in the city or anywhere else. Bicycle infrastructure is a great thing IF planned properly.
Car infrastructure can be good, but it is not inherently good; checkout Route 65/Beaver, Allegheny Center, and 279 as examples. I don't want car infrastructure to end; I just want it to be scaled back a little, in favor of biking, walking, and transit. It seems like people are getting upset about us going from 99.9% car infrastructure to 99% car infrastructure. As a city resident I am quite happy with my tax dollars being used in ways that allow my wife and I to remain a one car household, and to make fewer trips with that one car.
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Old 12-04-2016, 04:50 PM
 
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Owning a car doesn't equate to supporting anything and everything that is pro-car. I live in the city and I own a car, yet I still very much support bike and pedestrian infrastructure, even if it makes my own car trips a smidgen less easy.



Car infrastructure can be good, but it is not inherently good; checkout Route 65/Beaver, Allegheny Center, and 279 as examples. I don't want car infrastructure to end; I just want it to be scaled back a little, in favor of biking, walking, and transit. It seems like people are getting upset about us going from 99.9% car infrastructure to 99% car infrastructure. As a city resident I am quite happy with my tax dollars being used in ways that allow my wife and I to remain a one car household, and to make fewer trips with that one car.
Except it wasn't answered how one can differentiate who is a city driver and who is a suburban driver?

Except I'm not arguing against what is being done with bicycle, walking and transit infrastructure. Again, I think it's great IF it's planned out properly. Car infrastructure won't be scaled back so one may as well be happy with more bicycle friendly options.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:37 PM
 
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What is this from recent comments on "suburban drivers"???? As if drivers who live in city limits have some enlightened state of mind...please - few really care, whether you're from Bethel Park or Highland Park.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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What is this from recent comments on "suburban drivers"???? As if drivers who live in city limits have some enlightened state of mind...please - few really care, whether you're from Bethel Park or Highland Park.
Exactly, which is why I asked the one poster how they can tell the difference. Some seem to believe that there aren't so many city dwellers who choose to own vehicles and drive most everywhere.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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It's easy to spot the suburban driver, they all drive SUVs.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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It's easy to spot the suburban driver, they all drive SUVs.
How could I forget.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:17 PM
 
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...with a Cranberry Soccer Mom decal on the window!!!




Here comes Yac!
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Old 12-04-2016, 07:57 PM
 
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Except it wasn't answered how one can differentiate who is a city driver and who is a suburban driver?

Except I'm not arguing against what is being done with bicycle, walking and transit infrastructure. Again, I think it's great IF it's planned out properly.
I wasn't the one who made the comment about "suburban" drivers. Jackass drivers could be from anywhere.

Some people are arguing against virtually any bike and pedestrian infrastructure. I'm glad you aren't one of them. It sounds like we have some common ground!

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Car infrastructure won't be scaled back so one may as well be happy with more bicycle friendly options.
But there have already been cases of car infrastructure being scaled back. That is what people are upset about. Some of the city's bike lanes eliminated at least a parking lane, if not an entire traffic lane for cars. The Market Square reconfiguration eliminated a through street and made the area more pedestrian friendly, at the expense of cars. Schenley Plaza is a park that literally used to be a parking lot.
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Old 12-04-2016, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I wasn't the one who made the comment about "suburban" drivers. Jackass drivers could be from anywhere.

Some people are arguing against virtually any bike and pedestrian infrastructure. I'm glad you aren't one of them. It sounds like we have some common ground!



But there have already been cases of car infrastructure being scaled back. That is what people are upset about. Some of the city's bike lanes eliminated at least a parking lane, if not an entire traffic lane for cars. The Market Square reconfiguration eliminated a through street and made the area more pedestrian friendly, at the expense of cars. Schenley Plaza is a park that literally used to be a parking lot.
And people should be upset about that, especially if it hurts businesses.

I don't see either of those examples as anything significant. The bottlenecks and major backups are the big concern and they should be.

Again, IF planned properly it's a great idea. If it's done where it impedes business and affects the majority and causes problems, especially safety concerns then it's not a good idea.

Most anything can be argued that it's for the "greater good" of an area, until it affects the area and hinders it.
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Old 12-05-2016, 05:47 AM
 
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Anyone know who that d-bag is who parks his SUV on the sidewalk for many home Penguins games???

The license plate is something dumb like GFFFFT or something, and he parks in that "tunnel" between the newer Mellon bldg and the garage structure on Sixth Avenue, between Fifth Avenue and Centre Avenue.

Really, what an entitled *******.
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