Sanctuary City Pittsburgh (Butler: 2015, bills, medical)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by fat lou

Indeed. And you would think that people who hold these views would live in Homewood or Wilkinsburg or someplace. But no: they always seem to live amongst those rotten white people, with their embarrassing genes (whatever the f&** that's supposed to mean.)

Winner.

[guy2073]

Originally Posted by UKyank

I agree with the sentiment that we have many people who moan about such things who won't ever do any job regardless of illegal aliens or not; I can't however discount the fact that there are actual fields that are negatively affected. Talk to any contractor for example from an area where illegal immigration is rampant & you'll find that wage suppression is a very real thing & it's virtually impossible to run a legal business & compete.

There is a large percentage of customers that want a clean cut english speaking crew in their home, if a contractor is competing for jobs on price alone instead of using his skill and the skill and reliability of his crew, he deserves to fight for work from the bottom of the pile. In my business the contractors that hire the illegals are just doing me a favor by being an example of who not to hire.

[TheCityisOurs]

Originally Posted by guy2073

There is a large percentage of customers that want a clean cut english speaking crew in their home, if a contractor is competing for jobs on price alone instead of using his skill and the skill and reliability of his crew, he deserves to fight for work from the bottom of the pile. In my business the contractors that hire the illegals are just doing me a favor by being an example of who not to hire.

I worked with a contractor for a few years and we hired undocumented workers because the white workers wouldn't show up reliably. We even had to "bring in" a worker it was so bad. This was around 2009, when the credit crunch made finding jobs to bid difficult.

The guys we paid for finish carpentry, framing, masonry were as good as any native worker, but they were reliable and that was the key reason we hired them. We knew we could hone skill deficiency but we never really had any problems.

We worked in the city almost exclusively, so thankfully we didn't have any fun experiences with people who prefer or only hire white faces.

[gg]

Originally Posted by TheCityisOurs

I worked with a contractor for a few years and we hired undocumented workers because the white workers wouldn't show up reliably. We even had to "bring in" a worker it was so bad.

That is what the contractor said to people because the bottom line was he didn't want to pay a living wage and he found a way to find someone to do the dirty work for about nothing. Just the contractor's excuse because he knew what people were thinking. Come on, you know that is the real truth. I don't buy into your story one bit.

[TheCityisOurs]

Originally Posted by gg

That is what the contractor said to people because the bottom line was he didn't want to pay a living wage and he found a way to find someone to do the dirty work for about nothing. Just the contractor's excuse because he knew what people were thinking. Come on, you know that is the real truth. I don't buy into your story one bit.

Did you work with us? No, so you don't have a clue. Come on, you know you can't tell people what their experiences were, especially when you weren't there.

[gg]

Originally Posted by TheCityisOurs

Did you work with us? No, so you don't have a clue. Come on, you know you can't tell people what their experiences were, especially when you weren't there.

So you are going to tell me that he couldn't find anyone to work hard locally? Really? I have restored many homes and been in the business for decades. Sorry, there is only ONE excuse to import labor and that is to make more money for oneself. I don't blame people for doing it, but I don't buy into the "there are no hard workers". Bottom line is there aren't many hard workers willing to work for $10 an hour anymore. Why should they, unless they are here illegally. I don't need to be there, I have lived it for a very long time restoring very large homes. You keep telling yourself that there are no hard workers in the US and it will make you feel better though. lol

[TheCityisOurs]

Originally Posted by gg

So you are going to tell me that he couldn't find anyone to work hard locally? Really? I have restored many homes and been in the business for decades. Sorry, there is only ONE excuse to import labor and that is to make more money for oneself. I don't blame people for doing it, but I don't buy into the "there are no hard workers". Bottom line is there aren't many hard workers willing to work for $10 an hour anymore. Why should they, unless they are here illegally. I don't need to be there, I have lived it for a very long time restoring very large homes. You keep telling yourself that there are no hard workers in the US and it will make you feel better though. lol

I never said one thing other than my own experience. You have your own experience. I'm not arguing with you, I didn't quote you, so what's the problem? You need to relax.

[guy2073]

Originally Posted by TheCityisOurs

I worked with a contractor for a few years and we hired undocumented workers because the white workers wouldn't show up reliably. We even had to "bring in" a worker it was so bad. This was around 2009, when the credit crunch made finding jobs to bid difficult.

The guys we paid for finish carpentry, framing, masonry were as good as any native worker, but they were reliable and that was the key reason we hired them. We knew we could hone skill deficiency but we never really had any problems.

We worked in the city almost exclusively, so thankfully we didn't have any fun experiences with people who prefer or only hire white faces.

I am sorry but i dont recall saying my customers only prefer to hire white people. My customers want a worker who shows up clean, on time, not smoking, dressed professionally, and not blasting a radio in their house. These qualities can be found over multiple races just not white people. I invest into my workers and i charge a premium for it, when other companies choose to hire a undocumented worker and fight for garbage work that is their choice.

[TheCityisOurs]

Originally Posted by guy2073

I am sorry but i dont recall saying my customers only prefer to hire white people. My customers want a worker who shows up clean, on time, not smoking, dressed professionally, and not blasting a radio in their house. These qualities can be found over multiple races just not white people. I invest into my workers and i charge a premium for it, when other companies choose to hire a undocumented worker and fight for garbage work that is their choice.

Most of the work we bid on involved historical preservation or other custom build-outs of properties in the East End. We didn't do a huge amount of work, around $1m a year, but we had a website, offered design-build and generally took a lot of pride in the end product. Not sure if that's garbage work, but I don't really know a lot about the industry, just my experience.

[guy2073]

Originally Posted by TheCityisOurs

Most of the work we bid on involved historical preservation or other custom build-outs of properties in the East End. We didn't do a huge amount of work, around $1m a year, but we had a website, offered design-build and generally took a lot of pride in the end product. Not sure if that's garbage work, but I don't really know a lot about the industry, just my experience.

I am not saying what you did was garbage work, but if a company has to hire undocumented workers or they are having a issues with employee's to the point of considering that, they should look at the way they structured their business.