Neighborhood of the week: East Liberty (Ross Township, Bellevue: home, living, safety)

[gg]

Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

at what point does the developer of the new whole foods in east liberty contact google and say, those old buildings you're showing where all the eldery low-income people lived, yeah we threw them out and tore those buildings down, that plan you're showing is inaccurate.

Let's keep in mind, those buildings were way old and outdated. They are now living in the luxury building we as taxpayers built for them. They live well above what SCR lives in that actually works hard for a living.

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by gg

Let's keep in mind, those buildings were way old and outdated. They are now living in the luxury building we as taxpayers built for them. They live well above what SCR lives in that actually works hard for a living.

That’s condescending. For all you know SCR could love his home and not feel that way. He is not renting an apartment in a dated mid century high rise in the Turtle Creek Valley….or worse Mon Valley. Where exactly do you think the displaced seniors moved to? Luxurious complexes in what neighborhood? How much did you pay?

[gg]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

That’s condescending. For all you know SCR could love his home and not feel that way. He is not renting an apartment in a dated mid century high rise in the Turtle Creek Valley….or worse Mon Valley. Where exactly do you think the displaced seniors moved to? Luxurious complexes in what neighborhood? How much did you pay?

They most likely moved to the brand new high end places in Larimar and around East Liberty that would cost $500k or $3K to rent, but free to some.

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by gg

They most likely moved to the brand new high end places in Larimar and around East Liberty that would cost $500k or $3K to rent, but free to some.

This is another one of your made up racist scenarios that are far removed from the truth. “ they most likely” as if you knew.

[gg]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

This is another one of your made up racist scenarios that are far removed from the truth. “ they most likely” as if you knew.

Then educate me. The newer complex across from Fire Side Public House on the corner of Broad and Larimar, what are those? With the nice balconies and such. Those would be so expensive if someone had to work and pay for them. Unaffordable for. most in such a location.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by gg

Let's keep in mind, those buildings were way old and outdated. They are now living in the luxury building we as taxpayers built for them. They live well above what SCR lives in that actually works hard for a living.

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

That’s condescending. For all you know SCR could love his home and not feel that way. He is not renting an apartment in a dated mid century high rise in the Turtle Creek Valley….or worse Mon Valley. Where exactly do you think the displaced seniors moved to? Luxurious complexes in what neighborhood? How much did you pay?

I love my home. I am not in love with my neighborhood.

I do the bare minimum to give back to my neighborhood by walking around with a rolling garbage can picking up litter a few times per week. Other neighbors try to coax me into blowing up 311/911 to report illicit activities/affairs as I witness them when I am picking up litter, but I happen to know those same neighbors face harassment/retaliation from those they tattle against. This is why I elect not to do so, much to the chagrin of erieguy who would call 311/911 daily for every little issue in my neighborhood and then act shocked when he would be retaliated against. Instead as I witness disputes and drug transactions and traffic violations and whatnot I just pretend I didn't see them. I already know many of my neighbors hate the police anyways, so I don't want to be responsible for calling 911 and bringing a cop into a neighborhood where they aren't wanted. I would hazard a guess to say there are a lot of people in my neighborhood with felonious records who wouldn't take kindly to someone squealing on them.

Obviously the dregs of Marshall-Shadeland moved here because they were gentrified out of the expensive Lower North Side neighborhoods like the Mexican War Streets/Central North Side, East Allegheny, Manchester, etc. If we work hard to gentrify Marshall-Shadeland, too, then where are those dregs of society supposed to move? Brighton Heights is more expensive. Bellevue and Avalon are more expensive. Ross Township is more expensive. There is a waiting list for public housing projects on the North Side. As someone who was gentrified myself out of the nicer neighborhood of Polish Hill by wealthier whites (despite the East End progressives on here implying it is only gentrification if rich whites displace poor Blacks) I am a bit sensitive to gentrification. The poor have to live somewhere, and like it or not my neighborhood disproportionately houses them thanks to a few suburban slumlords who gobble up properties and make them all Section 8 rentals.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I love my home. I am not in love with my neighborhood.

I do the bare minimum to give back to my neighborhood by walking around with a rolling garbage can picking up litter a few times per week. Other neighbors try to coax me into blowing up 311/911 to report illicit activities/affairs as I witness them when I am picking up litter, but I happen to know those same neighbors face harassment/retaliation from those they tattle against. This is why I elect not to do so, much to the chagrin of erieguy who would call 311/911 daily for every little issue in my neighborhood and then act shocked when he would be retaliated against. Instead as I witness disputes and drug transactions and traffic violations and whatnot I just pretend I didn't see them. I already know many of my neighbors hate the police anyways, so I don't want to be responsible for calling 911 and bringing a cop into a neighborhood where they aren't wanted. I would hazard a guess to say there are a lot of people in my neighborhood with felonious records who wouldn't take kindly to someone squealing on them.

Obviously the dregs of Marshall-Shadeland moved here because they were gentrified out of the expensive Lower North Side neighborhoods like the Mexican War Streets/Central North Side, East Allegheny, Manchester, etc. If we work hard to gentrify Marshall-Shadeland, too, then where are those dregs of society supposed to move? Brighton Heights is more expensive. Bellevue and Avalon are more expensive. Ross Township is more expensive. There is a waiting list for public housing projects on the North Side. As someone who was gentrified myself out of the nicer neighborhood of Polish Hill by wealthier whites (despite the East End progressives on here implying it is only gentrification if rich whites displace poor Blacks) I am a bit sensitive to gentrification. The poor have to live somewhere, and like it or not my neighborhood disproportionately houses them thanks to a few suburban slumlords who gobble up properties and make them all Section 8 rentals.

Love the assumption. Couldn’t be paid to live in such a neighborhood to begin with. However, instead of constantly complaining about it I would certainly look to do something my situation, as complaining does nothing. And great stuff how you brought up before wanting gentrification in your neighborhood, as you’ve complained about gentrification for so many years, along with getting a gun while for so many years saying one doesn’t need a gun because of feeling safe in the city. Quite the hypocrisy.

Keep blaming others when you made your own choice. How do you know they’re suburban and slumlords?

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Love the assumption. Couldn’t be paid to live in such a neighborhood to begin with. However, instead of constantly complaining about it I would certainly look to do something about it, as complaining does nothing. And great stuff how you brought up before wanting gentrification in your neighborhood, as you’ve complained about gentrification for so many years, along with getting a gun while for so many years one doesn’t need a gun because of feeling safe in the city. The hypocrisy is great stuff.

im not adding much to the conversation, except to say that on the surface, Marshall-Shadeland does not look bad overall. There are some beautiful old(er) type homes, and some better kept streets there.

that was my starting point on looking for a house now numerous years ago. good decision to avoid it, but the neighbors were gleeful, i think, when i was there visiting with the real estate agent. i am not sure, but i believe they hold their breath, hoping ratchet redneckian types dont move in next door.
not that they knew ME....im a bad mo-fo after all and will shoot anyone who looks at me the wrong way!

M-Sh was overall probably much much nicer decades ago - with its easy access to the central business district and lower North Side, and you can get to the North Hills w/ relative ease. And again, there are some nice properties there and some streets are lucky to have 'better' residents who actually care for it.

[gg]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I love my home. I am not in love with my neighborhood.

I do the bare minimum to give back to my neighborhood by walking around with a rolling garbage can picking up litter a few times per week. Other neighbors try to coax me into blowing up 311/911 to report illicit activities/affairs as I witness them when I am picking up litter, but I happen to know those same neighbors face harassment/retaliation from those they tattle against. This is why I elect not to do so, much to the chagrin of erieguy who would call 311/911 daily for every little issue in my neighborhood and then act shocked when he would be retaliated against. Instead as I witness disputes and drug transactions and traffic violations and whatnot I just pretend I didn't see them. I already know many of my neighbors hate the police anyways, so I don't want to be responsible for calling 911 and bringing a cop into a neighborhood where they aren't wanted. I would hazard a guess to say there are a lot of people in my neighborhood with felonious records who wouldn't take kindly to someone squealing on them.

Obviously the dregs of Marshall-Shadeland moved here because they were gentrified out of the expensive Lower North Side neighborhoods like the Mexican War Streets/Central North Side, East Allegheny, Manchester, etc. If we work hard to gentrify Marshall-Shadeland, too, then where are those dregs of society supposed to move? Brighton Heights is more expensive. Bellevue and Avalon are more expensive. Ross Township is more expensive. There is a waiting list for public housing projects on the North Side. As someone who was gentrified myself out of the nicer neighborhood of Polish Hill by wealthier whites (despite the East End progressives on here implying it is only gentrification if rich whites displace poor Blacks) I am a bit sensitive to gentrification. The poor have to live somewhere, and like it or not my neighborhood disproportionately houses them thanks to a few suburban slumlords who gobble up properties and make them all Section 8 rentals.

Thanks for the update. I feel for you, but you did purchase a home and that is pretty impressive. So many younger folks don't get to that level.

I wish. you lived in a better area though. If the government is handing things out, one would think a person working hard and trying should get some benefit.

Wishing you the best and hope you are safe there. MS makes the news for shooting VERY often and every time I read about them, I hope you are okay. Hopefully the shootings aren't close to your home.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

Even split...... There are large housing developments in the pipeline all over East Liberty and Larimer. Some are market rate while others are subsidized. East Liberty will always have a black component. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Yeah, just about every large scale new development south of East Liberty Boulevard (other than the building at the corner of Penn and Highland) is at least mixed income, and most are still majority black. These units are income protected for decades and the tenants aren't going anywhere, and there are plans for additional mixed income properties as of yet.

The more single family blocks north of there will eventually be as white as Highland Park, but as a whole I don't see East Liberty falling below 30% black.