Pittsburgh population estimated to decline 0.08% in 2016... (Denver, Austin: 2014, rental, houses)

[bradjl2009]

Of course let's not forget with regards to density, Pittsburgh has many areas where the topography is not friendly to development which does lead to development further out of the area than if the metro was flat. There are plenty of spots only a few miles from Downtown which are woods because they cannot be developed.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by bradjl2009

Of course let's not forget with regards to density, Pittsburgh has many areas where the topography is not friendly to development which does lead to development further out of the area than if the metro was flat. There are plenty of spots only a few miles from Downtown which are woods because they cannot be developed.

Right. That's one of the main reasons why the captains of industry of the regions settled in on the mill town model rather than plastering half the city with mills. There just wasn't enough flat land reasonably close to railroads within city limits left once we got past 1900. As a result, the working class was widely distributed around the region rather than concentrated in neighborhoods in and near the city, which led to the odd patchwork model of development you see today.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Mtl-Cns

This makes no sense. Obviously just because someone is employed doesn't mean they have enough extra income to commute on toll roads or even own a vehicle! A large percentage of employees take public transportation.

As is the case everywhere. Someone who travels for business is more likely to be in the class of "people with money".

It also doesn't make sense to say toll roads exist only for people with money. Go over to the urban planning forum and you'll see much support for toll roads, to make people "pay their fair share" of the cost of driving.

Originally Posted by gladhands

No one is saying that you can't post here, but if I recall correctly, you left Pittsburgh 30 years ago, and your family resides outside of Allegheny county, so you might not have the best context to be as dismissive as you often are.

Did you see Yac's post?

I think it would do everyone well to assume that anyone who posts here has some sort of interest in Pittsburgh. And the bold may be your recollection, but it's incorrect.

Originally Posted by bradjl2009

Of course let's not forget with regards to density, Pittsburgh has many areas where the topography is not friendly to development which does lead to development further out of the area than if the metro was flat. There are plenty of spots only a few miles from Downtown which are woods because they cannot be developed.

This is true. I was just sayin', without any judgement.

[Mtl-Cns]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

As is the case everywhere. Someone who travels for business is more likely to be in the class of "people with money".

It also doesn't make sense to say toll roads exist only for people with money. Go over to the urban planning forum and you'll see much support for toll roads, to make people "pay their fair share" of the cost of driving.

Who's talking about travelling for business? I'm talking about commuting to work.

EDIT: And again I would be of the mind who is more of a proponent of investment in sustainable public transportation options rather than a toll road.

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by Yac

Telling others they cannot post is not ok. In case there ever was any confusion about it.
Ganging up on those with a different opinion is also not ok. Remember this is not a war you have to win, it's people discussing their opinions (both informed opinions and .. well, other kinds). OPINIONS. Thinking others should accept your opinion as it was gospel is also not ok, though maybe not directly addressed in the tos, but it usually derails the thread eventually.
I really hope all this fighting was due to confusion and now that I explained how things work, it will end. Right ?

Yac.

Too late, I'm slipping.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Mtl-Cns

Who's talking about travelling for business? I'm talking about commuting to work.

EDIT: And again I would be of the mind who is more of a proponent of investment in sustainable public transportation options rather than a toll road.

charisb was talking about traveling for business. She doesn't like the toll roads in Denver and Austin that were built for "people with money".

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

charisb was talking about traveling for business. She doesn't like the toll roads in Denver and Austin that were built for "people with money".

Which is ridiculous. Anyone that can afford the expense of a vehicle can afford to travel a toll road.

[gladhands]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Which is ridiculous. Anyone that can afford the expense of a vehicle can afford to travel a toll road.

This is simply not true.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by gladhands

This is simply not true.

Because?

[gladhands]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Because?

It assumes that everyone who owns and operates a vehicle has enough of a financial cushion to absorb an additional expense, which is absurd. An extra $5/day is an extra 200/mo, which is a significant expense for the working-poor, and much of the middle class.