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View Poll Results: With which geographic region do you associate Pittsburgh, PA?
Midwestern US 18 22.78%
Northeastern US 45 56.96%
Other 16 20.25%
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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I live in S.E. PA, and consider Pittsburgh part of Ohio. It is a Midwest town, outside of the Northeast megalopolis.
Have you been to Pittsburgh, or are you merely trolling?
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My guess is that they're counting suburban townhouses, as well as townhouse style housing projects in these numbers. Pittsburgh has dropped from 16%, most likely because of the demolition of St. Clair Village, and Broadhead Manor, both of which had dozens of rows of attached housing.
The data came from the Census Bureau and I believe they are just counting the city limits. However, they probably are including what are commonly referred to as "townhouses", that is, newer row houses.
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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The data came from the Census Bureau and I believe they are just counting the city limits. However, they probably are including what are commonly referred to as "townhouses", that is, newer row houses.
The "city limits" in places like Columbus and Indianapolis are actually mostly suburban areas, due to massive aneexation of suburbs,and I would bet that most of their houses designated as such are not in the urban cores, but are newer townhouse style suburban developments. Their city limits are basically the equivalent of all of Allegheny county.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The "city limits" in places like Columbus and Indianapolis are actually mostly suburban areas, due to massive aneexation of suburbs,and I would bet that most of their houses designated as such are not in the urban cores, but are newer townhouse style suburban developments. Their city limits are basically the equivalent of all of Allegheny county.
Allegheny County is huge, 745 sq. mi. Columbus is 217.2 sq mi, about 1/3 of AC. Indianapolis is 361.4 sq. mi, just under half the size of AC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cities_by_area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegh...,_Pennsylvania
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I live in S.E. PA, and consider Pittsburgh part of Ohio. It is a Midwest town, outside of the Northeast megalopolis.
Oh? So why does my car have PA plates, get inspected, and my state taxes go to PA?
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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I'm looking at those Indy pics, and I see houses from Baltimore, Cincy, Philly, and Squirrel Hill. Besides, you can always find exceptions, and isolated examples. Indy is as far from a rowhouse city as you can get. You won't find anything like a Lawrenceville in any of those cities, other than Chicago (a huge city that has it's own character), and St. Louis, which stands out from the rest of the Midwest.
Actually, my understanding is the core of Indianapolis, similar to the rest of the Lower Midwest, used to have a fair number of rowhouses. It's just that urban renewal obliterated all but a few examples.

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The data came from the Census Bureau and I believe they are just counting the city limits. However, they probably are including what are commonly referred to as "townhouses", that is, newer row houses.
Yeah, the census has a count of "one-unit attached" which includes all attached and semi-attached structures, regardless of age. Note that it doesn't include rowhouses which have been chopped up into 2-3 apartments, or "rowhouse style" single-family homes only separated by a few feet from neighbors.

When I looked into it a few years back, the only neighborhood in the city where a majority of units were one-unit attached was Central Lawrenceville, even though there are over a dozen neighborhoods most people would consider rowhouse dominated in terms of built form.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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Mostly posts on these boards actually.
Link please.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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The data came from the Census Bureau and I believe they are just counting the city limits. However, they probably are including what are commonly referred to as "townhouses", that is, newer row houses.
I don't consider anything that fronts a parking lot a "rowhouse".
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Oh? So why does my car have PA plates, get inspected, and my state taxes go to PA?
Because it's obviously not part of Ohio. He simply said he "considers" it part of Ohio.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Allegheny County is huge, 745 sq. mi. Columbus is 217.2 sq mi, about 1/3 of AC. Indianapolis is 361.4 sq. mi, just under half the size of AC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cities_by_area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegh...,_Pennsylvania
Ok I overestimated their area but they are more than 4 times the city limit size of Pgh, and far more suburban. So the point is that most of what is listed as rowhouse or semi attached housing in Indy and Columbus are suburban townhouse developments, where pittsburghs are largely urban rowhouses.
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