Pittsburgh: Midwestern City or Northeastern City? (Philadelphia, York: housing, title, cities)

[Herodotus]

Originally Posted by bradjl2009

Yeah, but this area still didn't have the influx of additional people from those regions like Cleveland, Detroit, ad Chicago.

Keep in mind that much of our industry wasn't in Pittsburgh proper, but strung out along the rivers for quite a distance. It wasn't necessary for migrants to come into the city to find work. I don't know how many migrants came to the general tri state area for work, but I can easily see where going to Weirton, Charleroi, or Aliquippa, may have been less jarring for someone coming from the rural hills, than coming into big, bad, Pittsburgh. My grandparents settled in Brooke County WV when they came up from Carolina in the early 1920s. They didn't come to Pittsburgh until 1944, and only then because the mine was tapped out.

[Ben Around]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Actually, Baltimore has an Appalachian component. If you want to get technical, it's not on the coast, either, any more than Philly is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Appalachians

Correct. And many forget that Baltimore was located in the Confederate states and had Jim Crow segregation up until the 1960s.

[NYtoNJtoPA]

It's been said that Pennsylvania on the whole is more like a midwestern state than a northeastern state. It is the only state in the northeast with no oceanside FTR (damn Jersey won't get out of the way!) I already said in this thread that Pittsburgh is nothing like Ohio, which I always felt was the midwest. My father once said he didn't even consider Ohio the midwest, and I am sure it is different there from places like Minnesota, Wisconsin or Michigan, but I would guess it isn't that different from Indiana, Illinois or Iowa on the whole. I am more familiar with south central to southwestern Ohio than the Cleveland area though so maybe that area has more in common with places like Chicago, Detroit (we all know about this one - not to demean the others), Toledo, Milwaukee and the Twins than Columbus, Cincy, Dayton or Indianapolis.

I was in Allentown yesterday, and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre the day before. These places at least look more like Pittsburgh than anything in Ohio, the way they were built on the rolling hills, mountains and all that type of pleasant scenery on the horizon. Especially the Lehigh Valley (Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton) which I know has been experiencing a big comeback over the past decade or so.

[gladhands]

Northeastern in the city. Midwestern in the suburbs.

[gladhands]

Originally Posted by NYtoNJtoPA

It's been said that Pennsylvania on the whole is more like a midwestern state than a northeastern state. It is the only state in the northeast with no oceanside FTR (damn Jersey won't get out of the way!) I already said in this thread that Pittsburgh is nothing like Ohio, which I always felt was the midwest. My father once said he didn't even consider Ohio the midwest, and I am sure it is different there from places like Minnesota, Wisconsin or Michigan, but I would guess it isn't that different from Indiana, Illinois or Iowa on the whole. I am more familiar with south central to southwestern Ohio than the Cleveland area though so maybe that area has more in common with places like Chicago, Detroit (we all know about this one - not to demean the others), Toledo, Milwaukee and the Twins than Columbus, Cincy, Dayton or Indianapolis.

I was in Allentown yesterday, and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre the day before. These places at least look more like Pittsburgh than anything in Ohio, the way they were built on the rolling hills, mountains and all that type of pleasant scenery on the horizon. Especially the Lehigh Valley (Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton) which I know has been experiencing a big comeback over the past decade or so.

Vermont is unquestionably northeastern.

[NYtoNJtoPA]

Originally Posted by gladhands

Vermont is unquestionably northeastern.

That's true.

I always considered Vermont and Connecticut more in common with New England though than typical northeast/mid-Atlantic. I know nothing about either of them personally. I was in Milford, CT recently too which was pretty far from the NY state line and it felt more like Upstate NY than Massachusetts which I always kind of associated everything north and east of New York with. Then again the only place in New England I ever visited was Cape Cod so most of the things I've heard about New England over the years was second hand information.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by NYtoNJtoPA

That's true.

I always considered Vermont and Connecticut more in common with New England though than typical northeast/mid-Atlantic. I know nothing about either of them personally. I was in Milford, CT recently too which was pretty far from the NY state line and it felt more like Upstate NY than Massachusetts which I always kind of associated everything north and east of New York with. Then again the only place in New England I ever visited was Cape Cod so most of the things I've heard about New England over the years was second hand information.

The way you talk about New England, it's almost like you consider it a separate region of the country, and not part of the Northeast.

[Mtl-Cns]

Originally Posted by NYtoNJtoPA

It's been said that Pennsylvania on the whole is more like a midwestern state than a northeastern state.

By whom?

[Herodotus]

Originally Posted by Ben Around

Correct. And many forget that Baltimore was located in the Confederate states and had Jim Crow segregation up until the 1960s.

Maryland was not part of the Confederacy, although there were many Confederate sympathizers in the state.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Herodotus

Maryland was not part of the Confederacy, although there were many Confederate sympathizers in the state.

Maryland was a border state. They didn't secede, but they allowed slavery. As Ben Around said, they had Jim Crow laws into the 60s. My SIL, b. 1954, remembers segregated lunch counters in little Elkton, MD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ry_in_Maryland