11-17-2017, 09:06 PM
Location: Pittsburgh (via Chicago, via Pittsburgh)
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Hits very close to home. Thoughts to my Burrell/New Ken family, and the family of the officer. He was a great person.
11-17-2017, 09:08 PM
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Very sad. Likely another ex-con with a stolen gun.
11-17-2017, 10:47 PM
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erieguy
Very sad. Likely another ex-con with a stolen gun.
they have his license. find him, then beat the **** out of him, with body cams on and the world cheering on the cops in this case.
11-17-2017, 11:07 PM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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So awful, the officer looked no older than being in his late 20's as well, so it's especially sad to see someone with an entire life ahead to have it ended so suddenly.
11-17-2017, 11:13 PM
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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they have his license. find him, then beat the **** out of him, with body cams on and the world cheering on the cops in this case.
Sadly, if that would happen, many will defend the criminal and want the police punished.
11-18-2017, 04:37 AM
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erieguy
Sadly, if that would happen, many will defend the criminal and want the police punished.
R.I.P., Brian. What remains unclear to me is, was he at a traffic stop as in, he was at a red light and someone pulled up next to him and shot him? Or did he pull someone over and get shot? Most cops I know dislike pulling people over. It is one of the most dangerous and riskiest things law enforcement does. That and domestic dispute calls.
Now here is where I part ways with the previous poster. I do not endorse the police taking the law into their own hands. I don't care how saintly the cops are or how emotionally charged the issue is. America isn't a total Third World country yet. We're a nation of laws. There is no need to support police brutality or violence. I don't care how 'justified' it may appear. Because then the police lose their moral high-ground and in many communities that is already the case. Another point, blue lives don't matter more than non-blue lives. We're all created in the image, we're all born equal (in theory), and we're all equal before the law (provided we have the funds to back it up).
Cops are not all living walking deities worthy of veneration. They're just people like you and me that do a job. They choose their job. They know the risks. Just like a construction worker or a pencil pusher. Does any of this justify what happened to Brian? No, of course not.
Let's be real for another moment. Cops are seldom there to help you when you need it. Seldom do they prevent crime. They mostly hassle people for petty nonsense. I don't have respect for that kind of behavior. It is a misapplication of resources and time. If you really want to save blue lives and I actually do. End the insane war on drugs. End the insane war on poverty. End the insane war on honest innocent gun owners. Do those things and over time you'll see way less crime and more guys like Brian will stay alive.
But the police, their unions, the DAs, and Judges stand in the way. As do drug counselors, and social workers. So keep licking their boots and getting teary-eyed when you hear those Scottish bagpipes. The ugly truth is the whole system perpetuates a vicious cycle which doesn't just doom poor angry minorities, or methed out poor whites, but also the people that chase those societal dregs. But alas none of this brings back Brian, now does it? None of it can ever rationalize a cold blood murder which is and will always be against the law.
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11-18-2017, 07:09 AM
Location: Pittsburgh
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Back on topic instead of all the anti-police agenda pushing and gun control agenda crap, it seems they have found the brown jeep, but no suspect yet. This officer has served as an officer less than a year. A very young man. Hope they can catch the killer and bring him/her to justice.
Seems the car is registered to someone in Penn Hills.
http://triblive.com/local/valleynews...new-kensington
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11-18-2017, 10:17 AM
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erieguy
Nobody said to do anything to a “suspected cop killer”, anyone that could be innocent, or hasn’t had “due process”. Again, your assumptions are wrong.
Nah, you're back peddling, because know you have some egg on your face and I have a point. Even if "we" had video of the suspect, and knew for "sure" that it was him. I'd still not advocate beating the snot out of him. Here is why: if I were related to Brian, I'd want to do things to his killer that I wouldn't dare put into writing. That reason alone is why we can never ever allow vigilantism. Because it is far too easy to play tough guy and to get it wrong. To go from being the victim to the victimizer. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, or so goes the expression. It is also one of the reasons why I oppose the death penalty.
Fox & Friends, claims he had 5 children, is that true? If so, he sure started having them young. Maybe, he was Evangelical or something. Most 25 year old white guys don't have that many children. I'm not judging. Just noticing. I hope his kids get a lot of help. It is too easy for especially young girls to end up strippers at some sleazy club all because Daddy got shot up by some punk loser years back. Such a sad story. Usually, out of sad stories comes something beautiful and wonderful. I'm waiting for that to happen. I have faith.
11-18-2017, 10:23 AM
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Nah, you're back peddling, because know you have some egg on your face and I have a point. Even if "we" had video of the suspect, and knew for "sure" that it was him. I'd still not advocate beating the snot out of him. Here is why: if I were related to Brian, I'd want to do things to his killer that I wouldn't dare put into writing. That reason alone is why we can never ever allow vigilantism. Because it is far too easy to play tough guy and to get it wrong. To go from being the victim to the victimizer. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, or so goes the expression. It is also one of the reasons why I oppose the death penalty.
The problem with the justice system is the ever revolving door and repeat criminals which is why I said the criminal is likely an ex convict with a stolen gun. When criminals are found guilty of major crimes the penalties are often much to lenient.
Keep assuming to justify your narrative, but assumptions most always end up being wrong, and yours certainly are in this case.
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Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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