More protests without permits shutting down streets. (salaries, bus)

[norcider]

Originally Posted by gladhands

It’s interesting to watch the posters who had centrist/mainstream democratic politics and questionable racial attitudes shift further and further to the right. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think the mainstream American conservative movement is built around racial resentment.

Ya think? hehe

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by gladhands

It’s interesting to watch the posters who had centrist/mainstream democratic politics and questionable racial attitudes shift further and further to the right. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think the mainstream American conservative movement is built around racial resentment.

It isn't about racism it is about personal responsibility.

[gg]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

It isn't about racism it is about personal responsibility.

I think it is just easier for some people to throw a simple label on something instead of studying the situation. I look at it this way. Most people don't want to be blocked in while trying to get home and just want protests to be lawful. Some don't want lawless to prevail as we see with Antwon being in a car involved in a drive-by 13 minutes prior to being shot. And then you have a small number of people that are racist, but that number would be very small because the protesters aren't all one race.

I don't care about the protests if they are lawful and not scaring people by being the our roadways. Pulling drivers out of a car, grabbing their keys and throwing them in the sewer and so-on isn't very good and people aren't going to stand for that. On a personal note, I understand the protests and feel they have a point. We don't want police shooting first, but this was a unique situation with a drive-by that just happened and an officer is going to be on self-preservation mode because he knows there are guns in that car and he was correct. There were guns that were freshly used. Not a position anyone wants to be in confronting all of that and he could have EASILY been shot and killed that day. Seems that most all these shootings involve someone that is involved in criminal activity and in this case a drive-by shooting isn't a traffic ticket, it is VERY serious. Many don't want people to get away with crime in general especially attempted murder, so they understand the police trying to survive, but the kid was fleeing, so there is that.

Now looking at my response, wouldn't it be easier to just say, "racism".

[xdv8]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

It isn't about racism it is about personal responsibility.

Riiiight.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by gg

I think it is just easier for some people to throw a simple label on something instead of studying the situation. I look at it this way. Most people don't want to be blocked in while trying to get home and just want protests to be lawful. Some don't want lawless to prevail as we see with Antwon being in a car involved in a drive-by 13 minutes prior to being shot. And then you have a small number of people that are racist, but that number would be very small because the protesters aren't all one race.

I don't care about the protests if they are lawful and not scaring people by being the our roadways. Pulling drivers out of a car, grabbing their keys and throwing them in the sewer and so-on isn't very good and people aren't going to stand for that. On a personal note, I understand the protests and feel they have a point. We don't want police shooting first, but this was a unique situation with a drive-by that just happened and an officer is going to be on self-preservation mode because he knows there are guns in that car and he was correct. There were guns that were freshly used. Not a position anyone wants to be in confronting all of that and he could have EASILY been shot and killed that day. Seems that most all these shootings involve someone that is involved in criminal activity and in this case a drive-by shooting isn't a traffic ticket, it is VERY serious. Many don't want people to get away with crime in general especially attempted murder, so they understand the police trying to survive, but the kid was fleeing, so there is that.

Now looking at my response, wouldn't it be easier to just say, "racism".

These protests are directed to the wrong place. This energy needs to be directed inward to the communities where this criminal activity is being nurtured. People are getting killed by police because they are involved in violent crime and do not respect the authority of the police.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

These protests are directed to the wrong place. This energy needs to be directed inward to the communities where this criminal activity is being nurtured. People are getting killed by police because they are involved in violent crime and do not respect the authority of the police.

Bingo

[gg]

Seems there is a protest going on downtown right now in the red zone testing the new laws, I believe and nothing is being done, so there is a new law but it isn't going to be enforced. It is what it is, but the privilege of the protesters is pretty amazing. Above all laws it seems. Oh well sorry for you folks that work downtown.

[Huckleberry3911948]

Shutting down the police has consequences for the public
The difference between a protest and shutting down the working people to empower those who don’t is a thin line

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by Merge

anyone who is so selfish that they will do anything to advance themselves, no matter who they inconvenience or hurt.

It is sickening. So much hypocrisy.

Like the protesters trapping people on the Parkway - "so selfish that they will do anything to advance themselves, no matter who they inconvenience or hurt."

You're right -there is so much sickening hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by gladhands

If I didn’t know any better, I’d think the mainstream American conservative movement is built around racial resentment.

And none of what we're seeing otherwise is built around racial resentment?
All other groups get to engage in identity politics - but only whitey is capable of being racist? It's that type of double standard that pushes white people closer to Trump. The racism of folks like Eric Holder after the election of Obama led to the election of Trump and his associated racists.

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“Over the last several demonstrations, we have witnessed almost tragedies, and we’re trying to prevent that from occurring,” Hissrich said when asked why new guidelines were issued. “It was escalating, in our opinion, and that was our concern. I witnessed where motorists were actually being held against their will, encircled by protesters, and that’s the makings of a potential tragedy.”
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“Both myself and (Schubert), we’ve approached protesters, and I won’t repeat what was said to us, but over the past several weeks, I don’t think I’ve heard so many obscenities,” Hissrich said.
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"“I do not need any of you today to abide by these guidelines because they are not laws,” she said shortly before protesters marched to Market Square."

https://triblive.com/local/allegheny...cy-on-protests

The protesters closed in around Public Safety Director Wendell Hissrich and police Chief Scott Schubert on the sidewalk at the corner of Grant Street and Forbes Avenue during an about two-hour protest around noon Friday.
The crowd angrily confronted the pair for several minutes, with some protesters shouting into bullhorns inches from the officials’ faces, who stood backed against a guardrail.
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Chief Schubert remained silent during the exchange, while Director Hissrich attempted to speak with the protesters a few times, although the protesters often shouted him into silence.

Antwon Rose II protesters confront city officials in Downtown Pittsburgh | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The City of Pittsburgh has bent over backwards to accommodate these protests. Even though, as Bicycle Bill initially stated, the initial incident (the shooting of Rose) did not occur in the City of Pittsburgh. And this is how the protesters respond to people who tried to accommodate them.

Regarding the "don't need to abide by these guidelines, because they're not laws" statement - not blocking streets without a permit IS a law!

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

Like the protesters trapping people on the Parkway - "so selfish that they will do anything to advance themselves, no matter who they inconvenience or hurt."

You're right -there is so much sickening hypocrisy.



And none of what we're seeing otherwise is built around racial resentment?
All other groups get to engage in identity politics - but only whitey is capable of being racist? It's that type of double standard that pushes white people closer to Trump. The racism of folks like Eric Holder after the election of Obama led to the election of Trump and his associated racists.

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The City of Pittsburgh has bent over backwards to accommodate these protests. Even though, as Bicycle Bill initially stated, the initial incident (the shooting of Rose) did not occur in the City of Pittsburgh. And this is how the protesters respond to people who tried to accommodate them.

Regarding the "don't need to abide by these guidelines, because they're not laws" statement - not blocking streets without a permit IS a law!

Double bingo!