LESS than anemic job growth for region, #84/90 (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh: find a job, school)

[Charley Barker]

This from a post on City vs. City - this does at least answer the often cited questions regarding low population and wage rate growth:

Employment gains by state and metropolitan area, July 2018 - July 2019

States, Districts, & Territories: Numerical Change, July 2018 - July 2019
01. Texas: + 340,400
02. California: + 328,400
03. Florida: + 247,300
04. New York: + 130,800
05. Washington: + 107,600
06. North Carolina: + 83,000
07. Georgia: + 79,600
08. Arizona: + 78,200
09. Illinois: + 78,100
10. New Jersey: + 65,300
11. Tennessee: + 60,500
12. Colorado: + 56,900
13. Utah: + 54,400
14. Massachusetts: + 46,300
15. Pennsylvania: + 46,100
16. Nevada: + 45,400
17. Ohio: + 44,400
18. Oregon: + 43,100
19. Indiana: + 40,500
20. Alabama: + 40,200
21. South Carolina: + 33,600
22. Missouri: + 32,800
23. Virginia: + 31,100
24. Michigan: + 29,800
25. Kentucky: + 29,100
26. Mississippi: + 23,900
27. Idaho: + 22,200
28. New Mexico: + 21,700
29. Arkansas: + 19,200
30. Wisconsin: + 18,800
31. Kansas: + 18,300
32. Minnesota: + 16,100
33. Iowa: + 15,800
34. Oklahoma: + 14,700
35. Puerto Rico: + 13,400
36. Connecticut: + 12,500
37. South Dakota: + 12,500
38. New Hampshire: + 11,400
39. Maryland: + 11,200
40. Rhode Island: + 10,400
41. District of Columbia: + 9,500
42. West Virginia: + 9,300
43. Montana: + 9,100
44. Maine: + 7,500
45. Alaska: + 7,200
46. Nebraska: + 6,700
47. Wyoming: + 6,300
48. Hawaii: + 5,100
49. Louisiana: + 4,800
50. Delaware: + 3,700
51. North Dakota: + 3,100
52. U.S. Virgin Islands: + 1,700
53. Vermont: + 800

States, Districts, & Territories: Percentage Change, July 2018 - July 2019
01. U.S. Virgin Islands: + 5.2%
02. Utah: + 3.6%
03. Nevada: + 3.3%
04. Washington: + 3.1%
05. Idaho: + 3.0%
06. Florida: + 2.9%
07. Arizona: + 2.8%
08. South Dakota: + 2.8%
09. Texas: + 2.7%
10. New Mexico: + 2.6%
11. Oregon: + 2.3%
12. Wyoming: + 2.2%
13. Colorado: + 2.1%
14. Mississippi: + 2.1%
15. Rhode Island: + 2.1%
16. Alabama: + 2.0%
17. Alaska: + 2.0%
18. Tennessee: + 2.0%
19. California: + 1.9%
20. Montana: + 1.9%
21. North Carolina: + 1.9%
22. Georgia: + 1.8%
23. New Hampshire: + 1.7%
24. New Jersey: + 1.6%
25. Puerto Rico: + 1.6%
26. South Carolina: + 1.6%
27. Arkansas: + 1.5%
28. Kentucky: + 1.5%
29. Illinois: + 1.3%
30. Indiana: + 1.3%
31. Kansas: + 1.3%
32. Massachusetts: + 1.3%
33. New York: + 1.3%
34. West Virginia: + 1.3%
35. District of Columbia: + 1.2%
36. Maine: + 1.2%
37. Missouri: + 1.1%
38. Iowa: + 1.0%
39. Oklahoma: + 0.9%
40. Delaware: + 0.8%
41. Hawaii: + 0.8%
42. Ohio: + 0.8%
43. Pennsylvania: + 0.8%
44. Virginia: + 0.8%
45. Connecticut: + 0.7%
46. Michigan: + 0.7%
47. Nebraska: + 0.7%
48. North Dakota: + 0.7%
49. Wisconsin: + 0.6%
50. Minnesota: + 0.5%
51. Maryland: + 0.4%
52. Vermont: + 0.3%
53. Louisiana: + 0.2%

Metropolitan Statistical Area: Numerical Change, July 2018 - July 2019
01. New York: + 145,600
02. Dallas/Fort Worth: + 129,300
03. Houston: + 93,600
04. Los Angeles: + 87,800
05. Seattle: + 70,100
06. Chicago: + 66,700
07. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: + 63,900
08. San Francisco/Oakland: + 63,900
09. Phoenix: + 60,500
10. Atlanta: + 58,000
11. Orlando: + 49,000
12. Washington D.C.: + 44,600
13. Boston: + 36,700
14. Philadelphia: + 36,100
15. Riverside/San Bernardino: + 35,300
16. Charlotte: + 31,600
17. Tampa: + 31,500
18. San Diego: + 29,700
19. San Jose: + 29,400
20. Cincinnati: + 26,300
21. Saint Louis: + 25,500
22. Portland: + 25,200
23. Austin: + 24,400
24. Nashville: + 23,000
25. Denver: + 22,700
26. Las Vegas: + 21,600
27. Salt Lake City: + 20,500
28. Jacksonville: + 19,600
29. Sacramento: + 19,600
30. San Antonio: + 19,300
31. Kansas City: + 17,500
32. Baltimore: + 15,600
33. Reno (NV): + 14,200
34. Raleigh: + 13,200
35. Fresno: + 13,100
36. Memphis: + 12,300
37. Cleveland: + 12,000
38. Boise: + 11,900
39. Oklahoma City: + 11,700
40. New Orleans: + 11,400
41. Omaha: + 11,300
42. Columbus: + 10,900
43. Richmond: + 10,800
44. Cape Coral (FL): + 10,700
45. Birmingham: + 10,500
46. Greenville (S.C.): 10,100
47. Des Moines: + 10,000
48. Virginia Beach/Norfolk: + 9,800
49. Fayetteville (AR): + 9,400
50. Knoxville: + 9,300
51. Tucson: + 8,600
52. Colorado Springs: + 8,400
53. Asheville (N.C.): + 8,300
54. Louisville: + 8,300
55. Providence: + 8,200
56. Indianapolis: + 8,000
57. Bakersfield (CA): + 7,600
58. Lexington (KY): + 7,600
59. Charleston (S.C.): + 7,500
60. McAllen (TX): + 7,500
61. Spokane: + 7,500
62. Huntsville: + 7,300
63. Honolulu: + 6,900
64. Grand Rapids (MI): + 6,800
65. Chattanooga: 6,300
66. New Haven: + 6,300
67. Detroit: + 5,800
68. Buffalo: + 5,300
69. Bridgeport (CT): + 5,000
70. Rochester (N.Y.): + 5,000
71. Fort Wayne (IN): + 4,700
72. Hartford: + 4,700
73. San Juan (P.R.): + 4,600
74. El Paso: + 4,400
75. Little Rock: + 4,200
76. Portland (ME): + 4,200
77. Syracuse (N.Y.): + 4,000
78. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: + 3,000
79. Mobile: + 2,500
80. Greensboro (N.C.): + 2,000
81. Tulsa: + 1,800
82. Savannah (GA): + 1,600
83. Pittsburgh: + 800
84. Corpus Christi: + 300
85. Harrisburg (PA): + 100
86. Madison (WI): + 100
87. Columbia (S.C.): -200
88. Albany (N.Y.): -300
89. Charleston (W.V.): -1,000
90. Baton Rouge: -1,100

Metropolitan Statistical Area: Percentage Change, July 2018 - July 2019
01. Reno (NV): + 5.9%
02. Asheville (N.C.): + 4.3%
03. Cape Coral (FL): + 4.1%
04. Fresno: + 3.8%
05. Orlando: + 3.8%
06. Fayetteville (AR): + 3.7
07. Boise: + 3.6%
08. Dallas/Fort Worth: + 3.5%
09. Seattle: + 3.4%
10. Huntsville: + 3.1%
11. Houston: + 3.0%
12. Spokane: + 3.0%
13. Bakersfield (CA): + 2.9%
14. Colorado Springs: + 2.9%
15. McAllen (TX): + 2.9%
16. Phoenix: + 2.9%
17. Jacksonville: + 2.8%
18. Lexington (KY): + 2.8%
19. Salt Lake City: + 2.8%
20. Des Moines: + 2.7%
21. Charlotte: + 2.6%
22. San Francisco/Oakland: + 2.6%
23. San Jose: + 2.6%
24. Chattanooga: + 2.4%
25. Cincinnati: + 2.4%
26. Greenville (S.C.): + 2.4%
27. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: + 2.4%
28. Riverside/San Bernardino: + 2.4%
29. Tampa: + 2.4%
30. Austin: + 2.3%
31. Knoxville: + 2.3%
32. Nashville: + 2.3%
33. Tucson: + 2.3%
34. Las Vegas: + 2.2%
35. New Haven (CT): + 2.2%
36. Omaha: + 2.2%
37. Atlanta: + 2.1%
38. Fort Wayne (IN): + 2.1%
39. Portland: + 2.1%
40. Raleigh: + 2.1%
41. Birmingham: + 2.0%
42. Charleston (S.C.): + 2.0%
43. New Orleans: + 2.0%
44. Sacramento: + 2.0%
45. San Diego: + 2.0%
46. Memphis: + 1.9%
47. Portland (ME): + 1.9%
48. Oklahoma City: + 1.8%
49. Saint Louis: + 1.8%
50. San Antonio: + 1.8%
51. Kansas City: + 1.6%
52. Richmond: + 1.6%
53. Denver: + 1.5%
54. Honolulu: + 1.5%
55. New York: + 1.5%
56. Chicago: + 1.4%
57. El Paso: + 1.4%
58. Los Angeles: + 1.4%
59. Mobile: + 1.4%
60. Providence: + 1.4%
61. Boston: + 1.3%
62. Syracuse (N.Y.): + 1.3%
63. Washington D.C.: + 1.3%
64. Bridgeport (CT): + 1.2%
65. Grand Rapids (MI): + 1.2%
66. Little Rock: + 1.2%
67. Louisville: + 1.2%
68. Philadelphia: + 1.2%
69. Virginia Beach/Norfolk: + 1.2%
70. Baltimore: + 1.1%
71. Cleveland: + 1.1%
72. Columbus: + 1.0%
73. Buffalo: + 0.9%
74. Rochester (N.Y.): + 0.9%
75. Savannah (GA): + 0.9%
76. Hartford: + 0.8%
77. Indianapolis: + 0.8%
78. San Juan (P.R.): + 0.7%
79. Greensboro (N.C.): + 0.6%
80. Tulsa: + 0.4%
81. Detroit: + 0.3%
82. Corpus Christi: + 0.2%
83. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: + 0.1%
84. Pittsburgh: + 0.1%
85. Columbia (S.C.): 0.0
86. Harrisburg (PA): 0.0
87. Madison (WI): 0.0%
88. Albany (N.Y.): -0.1
89. Baton Rouge: -0.3%
90. Charleston (W.V.): -0.9%

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t03.htm

[gladhands]

And yet the unemployment rate fell. Who cares. The MSA added jobs, while losing people.

[erieguy]

This stat has been pretty obvious, but even with the numbers being plain as day, they will be defended.

Population growth will never improve without a reason to come to the area. Lack of significantly paying jobs and a lack of desirability isn’t going to draw people.

[gladhands]

Originally Posted by erieguy

This stat has been pretty obvious, but even with the numbers being plain as day, they will be defended.

Population growth will never improve without a reason to come to the area. Lack of significantly paying jobs and a lack of desirability isn’t going to draw people.

Also don’t care about population growth.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by gladhands

Also don’t care about population growth.

You’re in luck then.

[Charley Barker]

Originally Posted by gladhands

Also don’t care about population growth.

I don't really care either, but here is the problem: political representation and the money that follows from it. Nationally and, though definitely less discussed, but possibly even more important, statewide. As jobs and population continue to grow in the eastern part of the state, redistricting will bring lower representation and less dollars to the western part of the state, particularly in terms of infrastructure funding. That's not great for an area already suffering from less than ideal conditions.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by Charley Barker

I don't really care either, but here is the problem: political representation and the money that follows from it. Nationally and, though definitely less discussed, but possibly even more important, statewide. As jobs and population continue to grow in the eastern part of the state, redistricting will bring lower representation and less dollars to the western part of the state, particularly in terms of infrastructure funding. That's not great for an area already suffering from less than ideal conditions.

Correct. This is why I'm surprised so few are ever concerned on here about our continued population decline. For a city where yinzers kvetch and moan about how high their taxes are they "ain't seen nothin' yet" if progressively more and more local projects are given progressively less and less Federal and state funding.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by gladhands

And yet the unemployment rate fell. Who cares. The MSA added jobs, while losing people.

The folks who had to move away because they couldnt find a job that they were qualified for probably cared.

Originally Posted by erieguy

Population growth will never improve without a reason to come to the area. Lack of significantly paying jobs and a lack of desirability isn’t going to draw people.

But but but... the Mayor has a beard and wants to take away guns!

Originally Posted by Charley Barker

I don't really care either, but here is the problem: political representation and the money that follows from it. Nationally and, though definitely less discussed, but possibly even more important, statewide. As jobs and population continue to grow in the eastern part of the state, redistricting will bring lower representation and less dollars to the western part of the state, particularly in terms of infrastructure funding. That's not great for an area already suffering from less than ideal conditions.

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Correct. This is why I'm surprised so few are ever concerned on here about our continued population decline. For a city where yinzers kvetch and moan about how high their taxes are they "ain't seen nothin' yet" if progressively more and more local projects are given progressively less and less Federal and state funding.

In addition to state/federal funding for infrastructure projects, there should also be concern for locally-sourced taxes to be sufficient to meet existing pension obligations.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Correct. This is why I'm surprised so few are ever concerned on here about our continued population decline. For a city where yinzers kvetch and moan about how high their taxes are they "ain't seen nothin' yet" if progressively more and more local projects are given progressively less and less Federal and state funding.

People, no matter where they live, kvetch and moan about how high their taxes are if they don’t feel they’re getting their money’s worth. They also kvetch and moan even more when they see tax dollars being wasted and their school system dollars not being handled appropriately.

[bradjl2009]

It would be interesting to see how this looks on a county by county basis. I would imagine Fayette, Westmoreland, and Armstrong are dragging down the other counties. It's been well established certain counties are doing much worse than others.