11-06-2019, 09:13 PM
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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11-06-2019, 09:18 PM
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I am not talking Wexford, that is a different type of area and yes newer homes and tend to have higher prices, you can always pick more costly areas but we are talking about the cheapest yet still meeting a certain standard. I talked about Ben Avon area which is 8 miles from the city vs the homes you are showing in Chicago are over 20 miles from the city. I do not know Chicago well, could you find a community similar to Ben Avon area under 10 miles from the actual city? This just sold last month around the corner for $270k. I'd much rather have this home in this area than any of those plus being 8 miles from downtown.
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...3-17116#photo7
Niles literally borders the city of Chicago.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Niles/7155...m_content=link
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Niles/6950...m_content=link
This house is about 15 miles from the loop. The thing about Chicago is that it is a much larger city, geographically speaking, than Pittsburgh. 8 miles from downtown would still be in the city.
11-06-2019, 09:19 PM
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erieguy
Bingo
Honestly if I had the $ I would do the same as you but I wouldnt be in Florida the whole winter. I'd head to Florida after Thanksgiving until right before Christmas then head back to Florida maybe 1-2 weeks a month until June. I also like doing outdoor stuff I cant here in the winter.
I don't have the $ so I have to pick one or the other and to me I enjoy the north much more than the south.
11-06-2019, 09:27 PM
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Ok I will give you that, like I said I don't know Chicago well so I'll assume 15 = 8. But take those 2 homes and compare. School ratings say Avonworth is slightly better but likely they are comparable. You are paying over 10% more for Chicago that appears a little smaller, not as updated, not as much character (though that is opinion), and doesnt seem to be as nice an area.
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...3-17116#photo7
vs
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Niles/6950...m_content=link
11-06-2019, 09:35 PM
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To me those are more along the quality of this home, blocks away from Ben Avon and basically the same community. That sold for $212k a few months ago so almost 20% cheaper than Chicago.
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...2_M39490-76618
11-06-2019, 09:35 PM
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But Pittsburgh isn’t really comparable to Chicago. If I’m going to live outside of the city, I’d rather have the better city.
11-06-2019, 09:44 PM
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But Pittsburgh isn’t really comparable to Chicago. If I’m going to live outside of the city, I’d rather have the better city.
Again opinion so nothing wrong with that. I'd rather have the better neighborhood with most of the city amenities I want at a 20% discount. I love what Pittsburgh has to offer and it is cheaper, just depends on what is important to you. I don't like urban living so the fact I can be 8 miles from downtown and never know it is important. 8 miles to what a typical city has to offer to enjoy, maybe not as much as Chicago which is why it is cheaper here. I can also drive 30 min north and be in the country.
Is Pittsburgh my #1 choice? Nope but the savings living here lets me enjoy my life more while still getting most of what I want.
11-06-2019, 09:47 PM
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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But Pittsburgh isn’t really comparable to Chicago. If I’m going to live outside of the city, I’d rather have the better city.
“Better city” is a matter of opinion. Even though I like living in the suburbs, I have zero desire to move to Chicago, even if I was only going to spend half the year there...and imo those houses are way too close to other houses. I’d never want neighbors that close.
11-07-2019, 07:29 AM
Location: Clear Lake, Houston TX
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I can see how possibly going from TX to Pittsburgh/PA could be a bit of a culture shock. Do you think this played into it on some level?
Minor. Houston is a big cosmopolitan city, and the burbs are equally if not more diverse. I've had friends, neighbors, co-workers from around the world including NYC, and have met a surprising # of people from PA. The directness doesn't faze me as native Texans can be cantankerous & blunt, for southerners anyway. I can handle that. Pittsburgh metro is northeastern- as in northern Appalachian. A unique place for sure, non-diverse in several ways, and a taste I couldn't acquire after a couple years. Coming from a white American guy whose face blends in here. No offense.
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The day to day cost of living is higher than we thought it would be for things like food and fuel, but insurance and utilities are reasonable. Housing is mostly affordable, but real estate taxes are a little rediculous in Allegheny County.
Taxes scared me off buying a house here, and I don't care for Butler county. Otherwise I don't understand the doubt things are more expensive here than down south. Perhaps cheap compared to the E & W coast cities? Though fuel & food is still comparable to Queens NYC. Utility rates here are more than back home esp water/sewer. I got dollared on things I took for granted. Insurance is less but doesn't offset the increases in everything else. Especially since I have a family these things multiply. I do this analysis crap for a living BTW. This place is not going to economically solve most people's issues.
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I also was down in Beaumont TX for several months, not somewhere I would ever want to live but people were great in TX.
You got that right. Blight is like Pittsburgh but there is nothing to do there but eat, drink and screw around. "Old" part of TX. Some awesome people there though, and great TX/LA hybrid food.
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I lived in Dallas for a couple of years before moving to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is the opposite of Dallas. People here are hard to impress with bling and fancy cars. It's a much more down to earth mentality here.
Pittsburgh has nice neighborhoods with materialism on display, and its north suburbs are certainly all about the cars, clothes, jewels, etc. Moreso than Houston's suburbs where avg incomes are higher. But I know all about the Dallas 40k millionaire. There's a reason most Texans outside of Dallas don't care for its people.
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The South has a certain kind of protestant religious outlook that feels oppressive to me. I would call it a southern Baptist, judgmental and narrow frame of mind. Pittsburgh was settled by Catholics, Roman and Eastern Orthodox, so it is a much more tolerant socio-religious mentality.
Generally speaking Pittsburgh doesn't really have an ''open'' frame of mind, and the ''South'' is not monolithic... the part from San Antonio to Houston to New Orleans/Gulf Coast is plurality Catholic and not stuffy the way it is in North TX/LA.
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Once you move up to the Wexford price range, you’re looking at McMansions. Same holds true for cities like Dallas, Houston and Atlanta. Pittsburgh is a great city, but is far less competitive when comparing suburbs.
Agree- not worth the price tag. If you're comparing similar Houston or DFW burbs, Wexford is significantly more expensive, you don't get a house w/ 4 sides of Mexican brick (understandably), but you do get a giant lot. TX burbs are much more dense. We took for granted sidewalks, ability to bike all year 2-3 miles in all directions, to dreaded strip mall / grocery store, Petsmart, a few restaurants, other stuff that makes it easier to live. The Wexford neighborhoods are small, geographically constrained, and 99% car dependent. It is scenically very pretty though.
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gladhands
I wasn’t besmirching Wexford McMansions. I’m saying that for the price of a Wexford McMansion, you can get a similar house in a suburb of a city that offers more than Pittsburgh, making Wexford a less interesting proposition.
And again- for less. Even look at asking prices for something older in McCandless or Ross-- closer to the amenities, still too expensive.
11-07-2019, 08:20 AM
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Pittsburgh has nice neighborhoods with materialism on display, and its north suburbs are certainly all about the cars, clothes, jewels, etc. Moreso than Houston's suburbs where avg incomes are higher. But I know all about the Dallas 40k millionaire. There's a reason most Texans outside of Dallas don't care for its people.
I guess this is another topic that just depends on where you are comparing to. I find Pittsburgh less materialistic than most areas and especially CA or NJ/NY where we spend more time with extended family. Those areas it seems everyone has to have the best and newest. I also noticed it more in FL than here. I am sure everywhere you will find showy people but on average I just dont see it here. People don't get a new car every 2 years and constantly upgrade to new homes. Most anyone I know have lived in their same home for a very long time even though their finances have changed. I know several lawyers who live in the same homes they bought when first starting with lots of student loan debt and now 20 years later are partners. Same on cars, usually every 5-7 years.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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