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Old 04-23-2008, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, the Iron City!!!
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Originally Posted by PeterRabbit View Post
Pittsburgh is Northeastern. People who have only lived here part of their lives have opinions that don't count.
My Question:

If you are someone who has never lived anywhere BUT Pittsburgh, then HOW could you be appraised as to how other areas might compare?......

I've lived in the South, the Midwest, the east and the North.... and therefore, can make accurate comparisons to the types of people & culture I have personally witnessed, in each region....
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:18 PM
 
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BTW, what is East Coast culture anyway?

East Coast culture is the same as pornography...I can't define it but I know it when I see it.
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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East Coast culture is the same as pornography...I can't define it but I know it when I see it.
I'd generally define pornography as people having any form of sex on film.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:07 PM
 
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I'd generally define pornography as people having any form of sex on film.
What about magazines? Or non-pictorial media, such as books?

What if the people having sex are, say, under bedcovers?

What if the sex isn't real, but it looks real?

Do the people have to be real people? What about cartoons?

And so forth.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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What about magazines? Or non-pictorial media, such as books?

What if the people having sex are, say, under bedcovers?

What if the sex isn't real, but it looks real?

Do the people have to be real people? What about cartoons?

And so forth.
I gave my answer. My definition of pornography would not include any of the things you mentioned. Although not expressly stated, pornography in my mind, is visible sex on film.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Fairywood
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The "I know it when I see it" refers to obscenity, not just pornography.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:42 PM
 
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I gave my answer. My definition of pornography would not include any of the things you mentioned. Although not expressly stated, pornography in my mind, is visible sex on film.
Well, part of the issue is now going to be what else you might not have expressly stated (such as "visible" the first time around). It is this sort of problem that led Justice Potter Stewart to eventually write in a Supreme Court opinion that he could not define pornography, but that he knew it when he saw it.

Anyway, I think it is safe to say your definition of "pornography" would not be widely accepted if it is strictly limited to sex depicted on film. For example, a quick google search will yield many people using the phrase "pornographic magazine". You can do a similar test with the phrase "pornographic cartoon", and so on.

Which is a problem, because ultimately language is a device for communicating with other people. So if you end up defining terms in an idiosyncratic way, you are no longer really using language at all.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:45 PM
 
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The "I know it when I see it" refers to obscenity, not just pornography.
I believe Justice Stewart was actually referring to the phrase "hard-core pornography".
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Fairywood
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I believe Justice Stewart was actually referring to the phrase "hard-core pornography".
I'm not trying to be nit-picky, but hard-core pornography was just the material in question in the case.

The First Amendment and Obscenity and Public Nudity
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:17 PM
 
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I'm not trying to be nit-picky, but hard-core pornography was just the material in question in the case.
But Stewart's concurrence in Jacobellis v. Ohio argued that the First Amendment limited criminalization to "hard-core pornography", and it was with respect to that phrase that he wrote his famous line. Here is the passage:

"I have reached the conclusion, which I think is confirmed at least by negative implication in the Court's decisions since Roth and Alberts, that under the First and Fourteenth Amendments criminal laws in this area are constitutionally limited to hard-core pornography. I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
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