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Old 04-17-2020, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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17% is a big number in this case. I do love when people “presume”. Wonder how many are PHd’s.

https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/ne...s-death-tolls/
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Old 04-17-2020, 06:51 PM
 
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It's way more complicated than that. The entire political dynamic has been changed.

Unless Pennsylvania Dems want to commit political suicide for a generation (which they most certainly don't) they will start opening things up county by county and phase by phase.

First, both houses of the Pa legislature voted to loosen restrictions in a CDC recommend way... Political pressure, maybe not from you but from plenty of moderates in unaffected counties.

Next, highly visible protests in the Michigan capital, and Pennsylvania protests scheduled... Again, political pressure from fearing a national spectical like that in Harrisburg.

But most importantly, other states are going to start opening up their economies following the guidelines. There's no way the governor will be able to justify maintaining Washington County's 20% unemployment rate! with their 71 cases and 1 death. It's economically and politically untenable. Did you know that throughout the history of the world, the most common reason for revolution has been leadership that's unable to provide for their citizenry?
And so it begins. This is the beginning of chapter two, and it will be “interesting”.
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Old 04-17-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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“Unless Pennsylvania Dems want to commit political suicide for a generation (which they most certainly don't) they will start opening things up county by county and phase by phase”.

I love this part. What a clown show.
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Old 04-17-2020, 08:14 PM
 
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“Unless Pennsylvania Dems want to commit political suicide for a generation (which they most certainly don't) they will start opening things up county by county and phase by phase”.

I love this part. What a clown show.
Are you sure?

Our governor seems to agree with me.
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Old 04-17-2020, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Are you sure?

Our governor seems to agree with me.
Am I sure of what?
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Old 04-18-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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April 17...cases reported from last 14 days, starting with most distant:


76, 53, 37, 47, 31, 39, 29, 48, 21, 19, 15, 11, 21, 22
Allegheny County announced 62 new cases today and 4 new deaths.
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Old 04-18-2020, 03:39 PM
 
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Allegheny County announced 62 new cases today and 4 new deaths.

thanks, Kippy.

for that sizeable jump.
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Old 04-18-2020, 04:04 PM
 
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Allegheny County announced 62 new cases today and 4 new deaths.
They say it's due to communal living sights and backlogs.
The increase in numbers could be due to a large amount of testing in communal living sites, labs adding results to the system in batches reflecting tests conducted over several days and an increase in probable cases as the department calls patients back, according to a press release from the Allegheny County Health Department.
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Old 04-18-2020, 04:08 PM
 
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While it is an absolute truth that we need to reopen, I don’t understand how we are going to protect the most vulnerable.

Currently, with strict lockdowns, nursing homes are hot beds of infection.

According to the WSJ, “The problem has been particularly acute in New Jersey, where 379 long-term care facilities, including nursing homes, have at least one confirmed case of Covid-19. A total of 8,209 cases have been reported at these facilities.”

As we have seen, nursing homes quickly descend from having one case to presumptively assuming the entire population is infected

New York State has released their data on nursing home deaths:

https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics...g_home_acf.pdf

Fifty-five fatalities in a Brooklyn home, forty-five in a Bronx home, etc.

If these are the numbers we see under lockdown, I can only imagine what it will be like once we start reopening.

A sad, sad fate for these elderly folks to die all alone, unable to have visitors, and with the knowledge that there will likely be no funeral. This is true for those who befall COVID-19 and those who are simply unlucky enough to die of old age during the lockdown.

I know someone who tries to communicate with her mom, who is in a home, via FaceTime. Her Mom, who does not have much time left on this Earth, has gone blind and has dementia; a sad situation for all those involved.

The only way to keep the infection out of nursing homes that do no already have infections would be to house the staff on-site.
Half of all deaths in Pa have been in nursing homes... wow!
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Old 04-18-2020, 04:32 PM
 
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They say it's due to communal living sights and backlogs.
The increase in numbers could be due to a large amount of testing in communal living sites, labs adding results to the system in batches reflecting tests conducted over several days and an increase in probable cases as the department calls patients back, according to a press release from the Allegheny County Health Department.
What does that mean for metric-based re-opening protocols? Are they allowed caveats or do they need to go strictly by the numbers?

Nationwide, at least 20% of fatalities are in nursing homes:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/u...ing-homes.html
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