Why do some Pittsburgher's refuse to wear a mask? (farm, money)

[PghSportsGuy420]

https://twitter.com/DecoherenceWave/...39069610885121

German study says that covid-19 survivors, even asymptomatic ones, are showing evidence of cardiac damage.

Just the flu, bro.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

Sounds like your family's business wasn't worth much if a few months' worth of pandemic ruined it.

Like they say, should have had six months' expenses saved up.

Sounds like a lot of Pittsburgh businesses weren’t worth much.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wpx...outputType=amp

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

https://twitter.com/DecoherenceWave/...39069610885121

German study says that covid-19 survivors, even asymptomatic ones, are showing evidence of cardiac damage.

Just the flu, bro.

Should definitely shut down a lot of the “essential” businesses, especially the high traffic ones like Walmart, Home Depot, Giant Eagle, etc..., rather than taking the chance of being exposed. Those places see huge amounts of people everyday.

[PghPatriot]

Here's the problem with using the low mortality rate as an argument for opening up everything.

1. It neglects the law of large number
2. It assumes that there are only 2 outcomes; death or no problems whatsoever

The US has a population of about 328,200,000. If 1% of the population dies, that's a little over 3 million dead.


3 million dead would through a monkey wrench in the economy, regardless. That's more than 2x the number of annual deaths at once.


But what about the people that survive?


For every on person who dies:

• 19 more require hospitalization
• 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives
• 10 will have permanent lung damage
• 3 will have strokes
• 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination
• 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function

So all of a sudden, that "but it's only 1% fatal" becomes:

• 3 million dead
• 62 million hospitalized
• 59 million with permanent heart damage
• 32 million with permanent lung damage
• 10 million with strokes
• 6 million with muscle weakness
• 6 million with loss of cognitive function

That's the thing these folks going on about "only 1% dead, what's the big deal?" get.



The choice is not "ruin the economy to save 1%". If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19

[Charley Barker]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

Here's the problem with using the low mortality rate as an argument for opening up everything.

1. It neglects the law of large number
2. It assumes that there are only 2 outcomes; death or no problems whatsoever

The US has a population of about 328,200,000. If 1% of the population dies, that's a little over 3 million dead.


3 million dead would through a monkey wrench in the economy, regardless. That's more than 2x the number of annual deaths at once.


But what about the people that survive?


For every on person who dies:

• 19 more require hospitalization
• 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives
• 10 will have permanent lung damage
• 3 will have strokes
• 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination
• 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function

So all of a sudden, that "but it's only 1% fatal" becomes:

• 3 million dead
• 62 million hospitalized
• 59 million with permanent heart damage
• 32 million with permanent lung damage
• 10 million with strokes
• 6 million with muscle weakness
• 6 million with loss of cognitive function

That's the thing these folks going on about "only 1% dead, what's the big deal?" get.



The choice is not "ruin the economy to save 1%". If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19

So . . . back to "my mask protects you and your mask protects me". It's such a complicated, nuanced approach. No wonder people are having such a hard time understanding it.

I would like to see people who don't think masks work tell their next surgical team "hey, I don't need your phony theory of pathogenic transmission to trample all over my rights, so, please do not wear a face covering during my surgery, and while you're at it, no need to scrub those hands either".

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

Here's the problem with using the low mortality rate as an argument for opening up everything.

1. It neglects the law of large number
2. It assumes that there are only 2 outcomes; death or no problems whatsoever

The US has a population of about 328,200,000. If 1% of the population dies, that's a little over 3 million dead.


3 million dead would through a monkey wrench in the economy, regardless. That's more than 2x the number of annual deaths at once.


But what about the people that survive?


For every on person who dies:

• 19 more require hospitalization
• 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives
• 10 will have permanent lung damage
• 3 will have strokes
• 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination
• 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function

So all of a sudden, that "but it's only 1% fatal" becomes:

• 3 million dead
• 62 million hospitalized
• 59 million with permanent heart damage
• 32 million with permanent lung damage
• 10 million with strokes
• 6 million with muscle weakness
• 6 million with loss of cognitive function

That's the thing these folks going on about "only 1% dead, what's the big deal?" get.



The choice is not "ruin the economy to save 1%". If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19

Bingo. Shut most everything down and stay safe.

Only problem I see is when the money runs out, but that shouldn’t be a huge issue.

[Charley Barker]

So . . . back to "my mask protects you and your mask protects me". It's such a complicated, nuanced approach. No wonder people are having such a hard time understanding it.

I would like to see people who don't think masks work tell their next surgical team "hey, I don't need your phony theory of pathogenic transmission to trample all over my rights, so, please do not wear a face covering during my surgery, and while you're at it, no need to scrub those hands either".

[PghPatriot]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Bingo. Shut most everything down and stay safe.

Only problem I see is when the money runs out, but that shouldn’t be a huge issue.

We could start with the 32B in farm subsidies. It used to be about 1/2 that before the Trump Trade War.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Charley Barker

So . . . back to "my mask protects you and your mask protects me". It's such a complicated, nuanced approach. No wonder people are having such a hard time understanding it.

I would like to see people who don't think masks work tell their next surgical team "hey, I don't need your phony theory of pathogenic transmission to trample all over my rights, so, please do not wear a face covering during my surgery, and while you're at it, no need to scrub those hands either".

If masks work, and you’re wearing one, there shouldn’t be a concern if someone else isn’t.

Don’t recall ever hearing about anyone ever requesting their surgeon not wear a mask or not scrub their hands.

[PghSportsGuy420]

The United States controls its' own reserve currency.

We could essentially print whatever it takes to get through this crisis and worry about cleaning the mess up later, but we won't.

Note that we ARE essentially printing unlimited money to prop up the stock markets. Just not for you and me, we don't count.