Pittsburgh lags badly in median household income (Erie, Beaver Falls: hotels, home)

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

She didn’t tell me what she’s making here, but generally when people leave a job for another job, the new job pays better. Use your head.

IT is a big tent. People who shuffle computers around aren’t going to get paid what the software developers and data analytics people make.

I think you are like Mother Goose with your stories on here. It’s quite entertaining but mostly fiction. If you can produce facts I will take you seriously.

BTW PA unemployment is currently 13.7% which is higher than all the battleground states for this election.

Pittsburgh’s labor force has shrunk by 33,000. People are leaving. That’s why they are back promoting a campaign like the “border guard bob of the late 90s”

[PghSportsGuy420]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

I think you are like Mother Goose with your stories on here. It’s quite entertaining but mostly fiction. If you can produce facts I will take you seriously.

BTW PA unemployment is currently 13.7% which is higher than all the battleground states for this election.

Pittsburgh’s labor force has shrunk by 33,000. People are leaving. That’s why they are back promoting a campaign like the “border guard bob of the late 90s”

“Anything that is inconvenient to my narrative is fiction.”

Believe what you want but I’ve worked in software development here for over a decade and I’m telling you how it is. If you’ve got a useful skill it’s easy to hit six figures here in your thirties.

[Joe_P]

And I mentioned Atlanta because you live there and was pointing out it is a much stronger area economically with a lower cost of living than Pittsburgh.

Atlanta is not cheaper. It may look cheaper because one can live in a distant county that's still the metro.

Commuting is changing, but let's not pretend that living in exurbs is truly living in Atlanta or insert city.

[PghSportsGuy420]

Originally Posted by Joe_P

Atlanta is not cheaper. It may look cheaper because one can live in a distant county that's still the metro.

Commuting is changing, but let's not pretend that living in exurbs is truly living in Atlanta or insert city.

The idea that people are going to live in far-flung exurbs and depend on multiple cars in a household is becoming an increasingly silly idea in an era when cars are more and more unaffordable for the average family.

The driveway with three relatively new cars in it waiting to whisk you and your family off to anywhere you'd like to be is going to be a fantasy sooner than people would like to think.

[Knepper3]

Originally Posted by Joe_P

Atlanta is not cheaper. It may look cheaper because one can live in a distant county that's still the metro.

Commuting is changing, but let's not pretend that living in exurbs is truly living in Atlanta or insert city.

Yes I have friends and family down in Atlanta, it is not cheaper unless you are a pretty good distance from the city area. Traffic is much worse than here.

[sealie]

Why is it so hard to believe the 130k? What do you think an experienced software architect or security engineer makes?

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

The idea that people are going to live in far-flung exurbs and depend on multiple cars in a household is becoming an increasingly silly idea in an era when cars are more and more unaffordable for the average family.

The driveway with three relatively new cars in it waiting to whisk you and your family off to anywhere you'd like to be is going to be a fantasy sooner than people would like to think.

Genuinely interested what you are basing this off of, especially with the lack of future transit planning in Allegheny county. Of course the case you described is an edge case as this is a small percentage of people.

What is making cars more unaffordable? I guess gentrification of areas with good transit access is causing this to a degree.
Are you carless?

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by Paul2421

Genuinely interested what you are basing this off of, especially with the lack of future transit planning in Allegheny county. Of course the case you described is an edge case as this is a small percentage of people.

What is making cars more unaffordable? I guess gentrification of areas with good transit access is causing this to a degree.
Are you carless?

It's odd, because people are buying more expensive CUVs, SUVs, and pickups and so automakers are increasingly scrapping their cheaper models and going for those. The median price of a new vehicle sold last year was over $37K and most people did some kind of financing with the average auto loan being about $30K. It seems like people are buying beyond their means.

Pittsburgh does at least have, for a US city, a moderately usable transit system.

[zip95]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

“Anything that is inconvenient to my narrative is fiction.”

Believe what you want but I’ve worked in software development here for over a decade and I’m telling you how it is. If you’ve got a useful skill it’s easy to hit six figures here in your thirties.

there are a several companies in the metro paying engineers over $200k...

[PghSportsGuy420]

Originally Posted by Paul2421

Genuinely interested what you are basing this off of, especially with the lack of future transit planning in Allegheny county. Of course the case you described is an edge case as this is a small percentage of people.

What is making cars more unaffordable? I guess gentrification of areas with good transit access is causing this to a degree.
Are you carless?

I would be carless if I were single. My wife and I share a single car and we’ve put under 33000 miles on it in six years. We primarily get around via the T and cycling.

Cars are becoming much more expensive. Affordability rules generally say no more than 20% of your net income on a car and no more than a 48 month loan on a new car. Under those guidelines, a household with the median income in the US can afford exactly one car payment on a new car that costs $19k or less.

The days when your typical family could afford three newish cars in the driveway are long over.

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

It's odd, because people are buying more expensive CUVs, SUVs, and pickups and so automakers are increasingly scrapping their cheaper models and going for those. The median price of a new vehicle sold last year was over $37K and most people did some kind of financing with the average auto loan being about $30K. It seems like people are buying beyond their means.

Pittsburgh does at least have, for a US city, a moderately usable transit system.

The average household income of a family buying a new F-150 is around $82k a year.
The average transaction price for a new F-150 is $46,700.

People are buying automobiles they can’t afford.