Local discussion on national election (Republic: contractors, minimum wage, reassessment)

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Except even against your landslide prediction, Republicans still hold the Senate. Until that changes, the rhetoric will stay the same and won’t change. Your Trump hate makes you want it to change to fit your narrative.

Maybe maybe not. There will be runoffs for Georgia. I think Trump burned the Republican Party to the ground. There is a thirst for conservative values, but reinforcing conservative populist views is not going to win many elections and this proves it. Hopefully Ben sasse and others with a future have a say in rebuilding the GOP.

And winning the senate will always be hard for the democrats. 18 Percent of the population picks 40 senators or some insanely low number. It favors the republicans

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

Maybe maybe not. There will be runoffs for Georgia. I think Trump burned the Republican Party to the ground. There is a thirst for conservative values, but reinforcing conservative populist views is not going to win many elections and this proves it. Hopefully Ben sasse and others with a future have a say in rebuilding the GOP.

And winning the senate will always be hard for the democrats. 18 Percent of the population picks 40 senators or some insanely low number. It favors the republicans

Nah, Trump simply hurt feelings and caused himself the win. Most Biden supporters don’t even know what his plans are, they just know he’s not Trump.

Shouldn’t be hard for the Democrats, especially since you predicted Blue across the board in a landslide.

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Nah, Trump simply hurt feelings and caused himself the win. Most Biden supporters don’t even know what his plans are, they just know he’s not Trump.

Shouldn’t be hard for the Democrats, especially since you predicted Blue across the board in a landslide.

This article explains exactly what I am talking about. People want moderate candidates. Democrats that lost house seats were likely viewed as less moderate than Republican counterparts. Hence trump was viewed as populist and not moderate. Joe Biden was viewed as more moderate than Trump. The point for both democrats and republicans is people want moderate candidates. Joe Biden didn’t campaign and beat Trump. It’s that simple. Biden was really the only moderate other than Gabbard or maybe Buttigeg that was running this year. Any old school moderate dem would’ve beaten trump. We don’t want them to accomplish much and keep status quo

You can call it hurting feelings, but it is populist rhetoric that is viewed extremist and not moderate. If trump was the temperament and style of Jeb Bush, John Kasich or Mitt Romney we aren’t having this conversation.

The MAGA and Bernie bros need to take off their drunk goggles and realize America wants moderate candidates with slow change.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/polit...ion/index.html

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

This article explains exactly what I am talking about. People want moderate candidates. Democrats that lost house seats were likely viewed as less moderate than Republican counterparts. Hence trump was viewed as populist and not moderate. Joe Biden was viewed as more moderate than Trump. The point for both democrats and republicans is people want moderate candidates. Joe Biden didn’t campaign and beat Trump. It’s that simple. Biden was really the only moderate other than Gabbard or maybe Buttigeg that was running this year. Any old school moderate dem would’ve beaten trump. We don’t want them to accomplish much and keep status quo

You can call it hurting feelings, but it is populist rhetoric that is viewed extremist and not moderate. If trump was the temperament and style of Jeb Bush, John Kasich or Mitt Romney we aren’t having this conversation.

The MAGA and Bernie bros need to take off their drunk goggles and realize America wants moderate candidates with slow change.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/polit...ion/index.html

People want coddled and free stuff. Hurt feelings and because Trump got Biden the most votes.

What happened to your landslide prediction of a blue wave across the board?

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by erieguy

People want coddled and free stuff. Hurt feelings and because Trump got Biden the most votes.

What happened to your landslide prediction of a blue wave across the board?

The other democratic candidates were not as moderate as their republican counterparts

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by Charley Barker

Wow. Stop gloating, and, as the president-elect said yesterday, begin to "see" your fellow countrymen and women. Not all of the current president's supporters are what you think they are, and certainly not all Republicans.

Thank you.

Only ~10% of Democrats are "Nancy Pelosi puppet lib-tards".
Only ~10% of Republicans are "knuckle-dragging Trump racists/fascists".

The other ~80% of the country? Most of us just tried to pick "lesser of two evils". We're mostly good people in this country. We need to start finding more common ground. The problem is that the media focuses on the looney tunes within each party and amplifies their message in order to cause even MORE division.

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by erieguy

People want coddled and free stuff. Hurt feelings and because Trump got Biden the most votes.

What happened to your landslide prediction of a blue wave across the board?

See, I'm still perplexed by this. It would already be a distant memory if it was a resounding defeat for Trump, but it was so incredibly close in so many races up to the last few days. For all intents and purposes, it was down to the wire.


Could millions have been swayed if the handling of the corona virus were better?

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Thank you.

Only ~10% of Democrats are "Nancy Pelosi puppet lib-tards".
Only ~10% of Republicans are "knuckle-dragging Trump racists/fascists".

The other ~80% of the country? Most of us just tried to pick "lesser of two evils". We're mostly good people in this country. We need to start finding more common ground. The problem is that the media focuses on the looney tunes within each party and amplifies their message in order to cause even MORE division.

I think it's simpler than that: Other American voters are not my enemies. I may think they're misinformed/misled, but I do not think the rank-and-file on the "other side" are the problem. I do not blame the closeness of the election on nearly half of the country being evil, or idiots. That's a very dangerous path to tread anyway, because that road leads to the total delegitimization of democracy.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

See, I'm still perplexed by this. It would already be a distant memory if it was a resounding defeat for Trump, but it was so incredibly close in so many races up to the last few days. For all intents and purposes, it was down to the wire.


Could millions have been swayed if the handling of the corona virus were better?

I think his (mis)handling of the pandemic is what swayed enough voters in swing states away from him and towards Biden. If his ultimate plan was just to keep pretending COVID-19 didn't exist or "was going away real soon..." while most states continue to see record numbers, then that's ultimately NOT good for the economy because in the long-run you can't simultaneously have a booming economy AND a raging virus.

Originally Posted by eschaton

I think it's simpler than that: Other American voters are not my enemies. I may think they're misinformed/misled, but I do not think the rank-and-file on the "other side" are the problem. I do not blame the closeness of the election on nearly half of the country being evil, or idiots. That's a very dangerous path to tread anyway, because that road leads to the total delegitimization of democracy.

Agreed. Well-stated, as usual. I wish you and PghYinzer would participate more. We need more intellect and levity on here to counterbalance the veiled trolling and bickering.

"Make City-Data Great Again?"

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

See, I'm still perplexed by this. It would already be a distant memory if it was a resounding defeat for Trump, but it was so incredibly close in so many races up to the last few days. For all intents and purposes, it was down to the wire.


Could millions have been swayed if the handling of the corona virus were better?

Trump hate has festered since day one. He simply hurt a huge amount of feelings.