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Old 02-23-2021, 11:59 AM
 
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Excellent idea. Tax all bridges, and especially hit tractor trailers the hardest. It shouldn’t raise prices on groceries or goods at all. Combined with Wolf wanting to raise taxes, it’s the perfect plan.
Another option is to do nothing and let the bridges collapse. Tractor trailers taking a 60 mile detour when 79 is no longer an option won`t raise prices on groceries or goods at all.
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Old 02-23-2021, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Another option is to do nothing and let the bridges collapse. Tractor trailers taking a 60 mile detour when 79 is no longer an option won`t raise prices on groceries or goods at all.
The best option is to use vehicle registration and tax revenue to repair them.

Except it won’t ever not be an option, and a 60 mile detour would certainly raise prices on fuel, groceries, goods, etc..., even more. Fuel costs, especially with the new regime would be huge.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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There’s going to be lots of proposals unless the city gets bailed out, and the longer the state/city shuts down businesses, the worse it’s going to be.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wpx...outputType=amp
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:41 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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There’s going to be lots of proposals unless the city gets bailed out, and the longer the state/city shuts down businesses, the worse it’s going to be.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wpx...outputType=amp
Is Pittsburgh having financial issues? I guess that's what happens when non-profits that aren't liable for property taxes buy up all your prime real estate.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Is Pittsburgh having financial issues? I guess that's what happens when non-profits that aren't liable for property taxes buy up all your prime real estate.
Combined with undesirability and a dwindling population, not having a robust economy to begin with, and a Governor that’s shut down the 2nd most businesses in the country, it definitely doesn’t help.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:40 AM
 
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What do you think happens when a healthcare company's costs increase? Do they subtract the total cost from executive salaries? Do they cut the pay of doctors and nurses? No. They pass the costs on to consumers. In this case they WILL INCREASE THE PRICE OF HEALTH INSURANCE.

Now the medicaid recipients won't care but those buying their own or paying a percentage of the corporate rate will care. Only those on government assistance benefit.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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I see both sides (why can’t more of you be like me?)

Side A- Was it Act 89 a few years ago that raised gas taxes by a few cents so that PA could focus on the bridges? The whole PPP deal. And some are mentioning the casino taxes or the Johnstown Flood tax, all very legitimate points!

Side A Track 2- PennDOT has clearly been mismanaged for years and if they could cut out the corruption we would probably have the best roads in the country for what we currently pay. But alas.

Side B: Gas taxes are losing their “oomph”, and the federal tax hasn’t been raised in decades, meanwhile cars keep getting more efficient and some use no gas at all. As far as the PennDOT corruption goes, it is what it is and that’s a whole separate battle that needs to be fought. In the meantime we must keep repairing what we’ve got. Maybe some lawmakers of the future will have the guts to take on PennDOT, or maybe the citizens of PA will elect those who are willing to fight that fight.

Side B track 2: this is a toll, not a tax. If one wants to avoid the toll it is possible. Stop being spoiled and believing it “should” take you 25 mins to get from downtown to Washington, PA. If a toll is involved and you don’t want to pay it, well for you that turns into a 45-60 minute drive and that’s just how it is. Quick and convenient transport is a luxury, not a human right. I’m too damn cheap to pay the Turnpike tolls so when I drive to Phillly I take other ways that take longer and are less direct and that’s my choice to make….no one is forcing me to pay any toll I don’t want to pay! Same with the Johnstown flood tax….get over your alcohol addictions and you won’t have to pay it!
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Old 02-24-2021, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I see both sides (why can’t more of you be like me?)

Side A- Was it Act 89 a few years ago that raised gas taxes by a few cents so that PA could focus on the bridges? The whole PPP deal. And some are mentioning the casino taxes or the Johnstown Flood tax, all very legitimate points!

Side A Track 2- PennDOT has clearly been mismanaged for years and if they could cut out the corruption we would probably have the best roads in the country for what we currently pay. But alas.

Side B: Gas taxes are losing their “oomph”, and the federal tax hasn’t been raised in decades, meanwhile cars keep getting more efficient and some use no gas at all. As far as the PennDOT corruption goes, it is what it is and that’s a whole separate battle that needs to be fought. In the meantime we must keep repairing what we’ve got. Maybe some lawmakers of the future will have the guts to take on PennDOT, or maybe the citizens of PA will elect those who are willing to fight that fight.

Side B track 2: this is a toll, not a tax. If one wants to avoid the toll it is possible. Stop being spoiled and believing it “should” take you 25 mins to get from downtown to Washington, PA. If a toll is involved and you don’t want to pay it, well for you that turns into a 45-60 minute drive and that’s just how it is. Quick and convenient transport is a luxury, not a human right. I’m too damn cheap to pay the Turnpike tolls so when I drive to Phillly I take other ways that take longer and are less direct and that’s my choice to make….no one is forcing me to pay any toll I don’t want to pay! Same with the Johnstown flood tax….get over your alcohol addictions and you won’t have to pay it!
One toll leads to more tolls. Hopefully you feel that way when/if those tolls come to Pittsburgh bridges, especially with tax revenue being so low thanks to the shutdowns.

You had me until side b track 2, especially in regards to PennDot. No idea, however, who you think has an alcohol addiction and how the Johnstown Flood tax has anything to do with it, lol. The Johnstown Flood tax is simply another fee that was supposed to be phased out but it never will.
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:02 AM
 
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So there is a lot of backstory to this 'toll raising' occuring across Pennsylvania.



There are several key facts about the story.


1. The bridge tolls would be all over.


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The bridges are I-78′s Lenhartsville Bridge in Berks County; I-79′s bridges over State Route 50 in Allegheny County; I-80′s bridges across Canoe Creek in Clarion County, Nescopeck Creek in Luzerne County, North Fork in Jefferson County and the Lehigh River, near Wilkes-Barre; I-81 over the Susquehanna River in northern Pennsylvania’s Susquehanna County; I-83′s South Bridge across the Susquehanna River, a mile from the state Capitol and downtown Harrisburg; and I-95′s mile-long double-decked Girard Point Bridge across the Schuylkill River in Philadelphia.
2. The reason given for the bridge tolls is the bridges need to be replaced:


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PennDOT has said it selected major bridges badly in need of repair and balanced its selections by geography to limit the impact on any one area.
3. PA has the second highest gas tax in the country behind California





So people might wonder, wow, how could PennDot be in such poor shape when we already have the second highest gas tax in the country? The Auditor General's office in Harrisburg was wondering too.


4. An audit done by the state in 2019, revealed that $4.2 Billion dollars had been diverted out of the Motor License Fund by the State legislature to the State Police Fund.



PennDOT audit finds $4.25 billion diverted from repairing Pa. roads, bridges: auditor general


This of course was an illegal action committed by the PA GOP as the state constitution clear says:


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proceeds from the Motor License Fund are to be used solely for the construction, reconstruction, maintenance and repair of and safety on public highways and bridges.
If you live in PA, you probably already know the great problem with moving the money to fund the State Police. The State Police act as the local police force in rural areas, yet pay ZERO additional taxes with the added benefit. So essentially if you lived in Pittsburgh or any municipality in PA with their own Police force, you are getting double taxed already. That's why the toll on the bridge is essentially a triple tax just to have your own bridge repaired in a safe manner so it won't collapse!


The GOP in Harrisburg literally robs urban and suburban residents over and over again. Every PA governor since Tom Ridge, both Republican and Democrat, has tried to push through a state police fee on places that use them full time.


When Wolf tried to pass the fee in the budget last year, the GOP stone walled it said "we aren't going to raise unneeded taxes on PA residents". Unbelievable.

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Old 02-24-2021, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Up to $10/pass for trucks. Yes, that will raise costs on fuel, goods, groceries, etc...
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021...oll-9-bridges/
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