Pittsburgh’s Christopher Columbus statue covered after Mayor Peduto recommends its removal (Gettysburg: taxes, moving)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

I'll try harder! [Can I get a Bingo for that?]

Don’t try harder. Your posts are great.

Nah, gotta earn it.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

I think calling me "thought police" is part and parcel of your tendency to hyperbole. I thought that this was one comment that went too far.

But then you delve into a litany of other posts from various posters that you have also reported. Perhaps its your preoccupations with whats acceptable that have gone a bit too far?

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

My feelings in this regard were heightened by the events of Jan. 6, which demonstrated that misinformation and extremist language had real world consequences. I've also reported Erieguy for attempting to downplay the Jan. 6th riots,

erieguy has been posting here for years. You're the new kid on the block. Maybe you should defer to long-term posters and give them the benefit of the doubt. erieguy is pretty solidly conservative politically and outspoken personally - but he's also in favor of law & order.
You're overplaying the events of Jan 6th by referring to them in the plural as riots. There weren't riots. There was a single event in a single city on a single day. Riots would infer that the events were over multiple days, or in multiple locations. Neither is true. So now you're speaking in hyperbole - perhaps you're exaggerating the threat to our democracy in order to justify continued sacrifice of liberties in exchange for security? Would this be worthy of being reported to the mods, given that you're presenting a manipulated narrative in order to cement public support for increased security measures at the expense of liberty?

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

and recently reported a poster "Greenjuice" for using the term "plandemic" as well as for implying that there were improprieties in the November 2020 election.

Why is that term reportable, and how does it promote the likelihood of violence?
Would you report anyone who claimed that there were improprieties in the November 2016 election? Or is your outrage a one-way street?

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

I've also reported Reggie for implying that Governor Wolf and Dr. Levine were akin to the Third Reich and/or that they were murderers/mass murderers.

Why is this subject verboten? We were one of the few states to mandate that long term care facilities admit COVID patients - and half of the COVID deaths in this state occurred in LTCFs. Why is it so taboo that its forbidden to raise the question if their actions were immoral or illegal? Would you prefer that they be referred to as manslaughterers? Or will you report me for even raising that question?

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

Frankly, the only thing that gives me pause are the extreme views presented and whether such views reflect an individual who would commit a violent act in furtherance of such views, or whether repeatedly airing certain extremist views would encourage others to act in that manner.

So how in your mind can using the world 'plandemic' encourage someone reading it to engage in violence?
I don't see any possible way. You claim to be nobly acting to avert the potential for violence, yet your self-admitted actions seem to infer that you're more interested simply in censoring viewpoints that you find distasteful.

[Doowlle34]

erieguy has been posting here for years. You're the new kid on the block. Maybe you should defer to long-term posters and give them the benefit of the doubt. erieguy is pretty solidly conservative politically and outspoken personally - but he's also in favor of law & order.

Point of order on this one -- I actually joined in 2008 (before Erieguy), and prior to the last year, posted infrequently, and mostly about Dormont. Previously, I very much avoided contentious posts, particularly if they involved issues of race (which is a topic that i still try to avoid).


You're overplaying the events of Jan 6th by referring to them in the plural as riots.

You're right, at least in that I should not have added an "s" and it was inadvertent, although a bit different than making a practice of posting hyperbolic commentary.


Why is that term reportable, and how does it promote the likelihood of violence?

I think I'm getting at misinformation surrounding a few key issues (i.e., pandemic, November 2020 election), as well as extremist statements that might lead to violence. And frankly, while the mods shut down that thread (which seemingly, used to be a much more frequent occurrence) they have not removed the post.

Why is this subject verboten? We were one of the few states to mandate that long term care facilities admit COVID patients - and half of the COVID deaths in this state occurred in LTCFs. Why is it so taboo that its forbidden to raise the question if their actions were immoral or illegal? Would you prefer that they be referred to as manslaughterers? Or will you report me for even raising that question?

Well, that's certainly a more nuanced way to the discuss the issue than simply making a quick, conclusory statement, as Reggie did.


So how in your mind can using the world 'plandemic' encourage someone reading it to engage in violence?
I don't see any possible way. You claim to be nobly acting to avert the potential for violence, yet your self-admitted actions seem to infer that you're more interested simply in censoring viewpoints that you find distasteful.

Again, "plandemic" to me is only seemingly used in false propaganda about Covid. Coupled with the fact that this poster also questioned the November 2020 election, I didn't see any legitimate basis for this post to remain.

[norcider]

Though the only "riot" was technically in DC, these morons had multiple events in many cities where it was all a part of some coordinated memo sane people like us were not included on. There were some tense situations in those cities and there was a photographer assaulted, I'm sure more hasn't been reported. Whatever you want to call it, it was planned months in advance, to take place in multiple locations.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-protest...ry?id=75108241
edit: I put riot in quotations because I think it was more in line with insurrection/uprising.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by norcider

Though the only "riot" was technically in DC, these morons had multiple events in many cities where it was all a part of some coordinated memo sane people like us were not included on. There were some tense situations in those cities and there was a photographer assaulted, I'm sure more hasn't been reported. Whatever you want to call it, it was planned months in advance, to take place in multiple locations.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-protest...ry?id=75108241
edit: I put riot in quotations because I think it was more in line with insurrection/uprising.

Old article. Are you saying the DC protests which came and went in less than a day, not to be confused with the year long protests, riots, violence, damage to statues and monuments, etc, was about Peduto and the Columbus statue?

[Higherho]

I think individuals need to understand their history a bit better, especially when it comes to racism and brutality in our country. In the context of this thread title, I am fine with taking down statues of individuals with racists or brutal pasts. We should not idolize these individuals and they only belong in the history books nothing more.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Higherho

I think individuals need to understand their history a bit better, especially when it comes to racism and brutality in our country. In the context of this thread title, I am fine with taking down statues of individuals with racists or brutal pasts. We should not idolize these individuals and they only belong in the history books nothing more.

How is removing statues/history going to help?

Does that go for all statues, even MLK, now that history has revealed his very checkered past?

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by Higherho

I think individuals need to understand their history a bit better, especially when it comes to racism and brutality in our country. In the context of this thread title, I am fine with taking down statues of individuals with racists or brutal pasts. We should not idolize these individuals and they only belong in the history books nothing more.

its not racism, really. did columbus show up to beat up on colored human beings? no, and he would have left if the new world was a desert wasteland.

its all about human beings and their greed and lust. those things can be wonderful (like it or not, but greed helps turn the economic wheels) but think - remove a few laws, just a few, inflate the price of gas by $2.00/gallon, taint the water supply and cut off netflixx and you'd have chaos in less than a day. people are just like that.

it was the gold they wanted. they oppressed the weaker creatures for it.

same as the brits and the irish, the barbarians and the romans, the japanese and the chinese (WW II).

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

its not racism, really. did columbus show up to beat up on colored human beings? no, and he would have left if the new world was a desert wasteland.

its all about human beings and their greed and lust. those things can be wonderful (like it or not, but greed helps turn the economic wheels) but think - remove a few laws, just a few, inflate the price of gas by $2.00/gallon, taint the water supply and cut off netflixx and you'd have chaos in less than a day. people are just like that.

it was the gold they wanted. they oppressed the weaker creatures for it.

same as the brits and the irish, the barbarians and the romans, the japanese and the chinese (WW II).

Bingo...but that doesn’t fit the narrative to get them removed.

Folks that tout history, especially those that obviously didn’t learn anything from it, think they should be able to pick and choose what should stay and go depending on how much it hurt their feelings. They’re also many of the same that blame folks today for what happened hundreds of years ago.

[Higherho]

Statues are not history nor do they teach you it. They are meant for idolization and yes Christopher was indeed a racist, rapist, and committed murder. Individuals like this don’t deserve a national holiday (for a country they did not find) or praise in the sense of a statue. I think it is very easy for people to be dismissive of this because they don’t understand their history. Taking this down is correcting a mistake of the past. People who are against this, I truly question.