5 People Shot Within 24 Hours In Allegheny County (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh: complaints, American)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

That is not true. I work with immigrants and there is high crime especially against woman and girls. There is very little gun violence do to the fact that there are no guns. You’ve been misled.

Except many other countries don’t tolerate violent crime or drugs, etc…, as poor Griner has found out. Consequences are severe, unlike the revolving door of justice that enables criminals and violent criminals to continue their nonsense.

[Futuremauian]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

That is not true. I work with immigrants and there is high crime especially against woman and girls. There is very little gun violence do to the fact that there are no guns. You’ve been misled.

Your anecdote is hardly proof of anything.

Comparing US to India:

Rape: we are 15 times higher.
Total crime we are 7 times higher.
Our murder rate is double with one quarter the population.

See for yourself.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country...d-States/Crime

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by Futuremauian

Your anecdote is hardly proof of anything.

Comparing US to India:

Rape: we are 15 times higher.
Total crime we are 7 times higher.
Our murder rate is double with one quarter the population.

See for yourself.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country...d-States/Crime

Yawn! Do think crimes committed in the poorest sections of Mumbai are reported? Sex trafficking and the victimization of young girls? Especially those that cannot be married off do to looks or financial status….Let alone the rural areas. I’m not easily convinced.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Futuremauian

Your anecdote is hardly proof of anything.

Comparing US to India:

Rape: we are 15 times higher.
Total crime we are 7 times higher.
Our murder rate is double with one quarter the population.

See for yourself.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country...d-States/Crime

Bingo…the truth is often unpopular

[Futuremauian]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

Yawn! Do think crimes committed in the poorest sections of Mumbai are reported? Sex trafficking and the victimization of young girls? Especially those that cannot be married off do to looks or financial status….Let alone the rural areas. I’m not easily convinced.

Next time we are in need of crime statistics, can you check with your immigrant coworkers for us?

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by Futuremauian

Next time we are in need of crime statistics, can you check with your immigrant coworkers for us?

If you insist

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Futuremauian

Next time we are in need of crime statistics, can you check with your immigrant coworkers for us?

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Your first post had you complaining about Pittsburgh and Milwaukee in regards to black folks, neither of which has to do with blacks committing murders.

Except the murder rate by black people has been plentiful, even before folks you describe moving away. Perhaps instead of trying to rationalize it, admit it’s a problem and attempt to do something about it.

You hear things yet you still thought Rendell was Governor, lol. And they’re Dem cities so that’s no surprise.

Perhaps folks are overreacting, as it’s been the most livable city more than once and often at the top of the list, and always mentioned is how cheap it is as because cheap is certainly its biggest draw. Perhaps you should actually visit the areas you’re commenting about to see for yourself, then you could actually know what you’re talking about versus hearing things.

Well, Black people and crime were being brought in regards to the murders in Pittsburgh. I have every reason to talk about some of the deeper issues going on in Pittsburgh. Black murder rates in Pittsburgh are the tip of the iceberg. Here is the deal. Large middle class = low murder rate.

I never once denied it was a problem. In fact, I have a thread about Black murder rates. Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, and St. Louis are mentioned heavily in that thread. I also mentioned that most of the murders within the Black population are committed within the underclass portion of the population. Guess what? Pittsburgh's Black population has a larger percentage of its residents within the poorer/underclass rungs of society than average. I have been reading about this stuff for ages.

I'm trying to tell you there is a big problem. I notice in the P&OC threads, alot of criticism towards the Black population. I've also noticed a pattern. A relatively higher percentage of posters from Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Missouri bringing up the subject of Black people committing murder. I start to wonder how bad race relations are in places like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, St. Louis, and Milwaukee.

By the way, I've been talking about this subject for nearly a decade. I've talked about it in another thread about crime in Pittsburgh. I say what I say because I frequently see many people complaining about Black people. I'm trying to say "The crime rate would drop if a larger portion of the Black population was in the middle/upper middle class reaches of society". I bring up Black middle class persons leaving PGH for a reason. Guess who is the most likely to stay behind. The underclass.

By the way, this is where I've been getting my information from.

https://www.visitpittsburgh.com/medi...united-states/

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/n...e-city-in-u-s/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LbSYDuiYiw

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...en-in-6-charts

https://www.theroot.com/pittsburgh-i...opl-1838218551

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsbu...t?oid=19576359


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me9GIPBskbE

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/c...s/201909170114

When I hear many people complain about Black people, and then I read about Pittsburgh being considered one of the worst cities for Black people, I start to wonder about many things.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

Well, Black people and crime were being brought in regards to the murders in Pittsburgh. I have every reason to talk about some of the deeper issues going on in Pittsburgh. Black murder rates in Pittsburgh are the tip of the iceberg. Here is the deal. Large middle class = low murder rate.

I never once denied it was a problem. In fact, I have a thread about Black murder rates. Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, and St. Louis are mentioned heavily in that thread. I also mentioned that most of the murders within the Black population are committed within the underclass portion of the population. Guess what? Pittsburgh's Black population has a larger percentage of its residents within the poorer/underclass rungs of society than average. I have been reading about this stuff for ages.

I'm trying to tell you there is a big problem. I notice in the P&OC threads, alot of criticism towards the Black population. I've also noticed a pattern. A relatively higher percentage of posters from Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Missouri bringing up the subject of Black people committing murder. I start to wonder how bad race relations are in places like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, St. Louis, and Milwaukee.

By the way, I've been talking about this subject for nearly a decade. I've talked about it in another thread about crime in Pittsburgh. I say what I say because I frequently see many people complaining about Black people. I'm trying to say "The crime rate would drop if a larger portion of the Black population was in the middle/upper middle class reaches of society". I bring up Black middle class persons leaving PGH for a reason. Guess who is the most likely to stay behind. The underclass.

By the way, this is where I've been getting my information from.

https://www.visitpittsburgh.com/medi...united-states/

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/n...e-city-in-u-s/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LbSYDuiYiw

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...en-in-6-charts

https://www.theroot.com/pittsburgh-i...opl-1838218551

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsbu...t?oid=19576359


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me9GIPBskbE

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/c...s/201909170114

When I hear many people complain about Black people, and then I read about Pittsburgh being considered one of the worst cities for Black people, I start to wonder about many things.

Well, you were talking Atlanta, then talking about blacks moving to other cities and doing better, when many folks beyond blacks have left Pittsburgh for greener pastures. Again, the black people you speak of that have that have left for greener pastures weren’t the ones committing murders to begin with so it didn’t matter how big the black population was/is. Also, as you admitted you hear things, yet haven’t been to the areas you’re speaking of. You should really witness them for yourself so you actually know what you’re talking about versus hearing about them…and there’s no excuse that can be made for the demographic that commits the majority of murders, but you continue to try to do so on a regular basis…and again, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, KC, and St Louis are Dem cities, so no surprise.

If you’re wondering so much, you should visit the cities so you have first hand knowledge…and if you’re so concerned you should do something to try to make the areas you hear about better.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Well, you were talking hearing things about about Pittsburgh and Milwaukee. You then started talking about blacks moving to other cities and doing better, when many folks have left Pittsburgh for greener pastures. Again, the black people you speak of that have that have left for greener pastures weren’t the ones committing murders to begin with so it didn’t matter how big the black population was/is. Also, as you admitted you hear things, yet haven’t been to the areas you’re speaking of. You should really witness them for yourself so you actually know what you’re talking about versus making excuses.

Maybe I would keep out of this if I never saw any complaints about Black people on these forums. And yet, I do. I also notice a pattern. Here on city-data, this is what I've seen among those making criticisms of Black people. I notice a relatively high percentage of said persons live in the Pittsburgh area, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and St. Louis. This is what I've noticed over the last 15 years of being on city-data.

Whenever I notice patterns like that, and then I read articles about certain cities being among the worst cities for Black people, I start wondering. By the way, having spent a large portion of my life in the Atlanta area, I've run into plenty of Black people from other parts of the USA. I notice many Black people who migrated from Milwaukee or Pittsburgh don't miss it at all. This makes me ask alot of questions.

It's not just stuff I'm hearing. I'm reading about this stuff. I'm watching documentaries about this. I'm reading about American history. Research about this topic is literally the best I can do at this point. You claiming I'm just making excuses doesn't count as a rebuttal. If you think you know better about this than I do, I challenge you to prove me wrong, on EVERYTHING.