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"**** YOU IBGINNIE, NAZI"
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Originally Posted by WRnative
I just did look at the UK because I wondered what you were talking about.
<<The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) said it was “almost certain” that hundreds of thousands of people were being infected with the variant every day and were not being picked up in the figures.
SAGE said without a further tightening of Covid-19 rules, “modelling indicates a peak of at least 3,000 hospital admissions per day in England,” they said in minutes of a meeting on Dec. 16.>>
You really do make up things off the top of your head and insult anyone who would disagree with your fiction, don't you? Where did you learn that tactic?
BTW, to the extent Pittsburgh is populated with persons such as you, it definitely has a problem. Otherwise, I do enjoy it, but not as much as Greater Cleveland.
Purely anecdotal, but the anti vax posters here pulling info out of their butts mostly don't live here and don't represent Pittsburgh's sentiment towards the pandemic. You can't make this stuff up. I don't even know why it's called Pittsburgh City Data, there's very little value in this forum these days.
Forcing people to do something against their will usually results in resistance especially when it is purported to be in their own and society's best self interest. Therein lies the problem with trying to force everyone to take a medical treatment even if it can jeopardize their health by taking that treatment of if they have other reasons for not wising to take the shot. With the current 5.5 estimated world wide deaths attributed to Covid and a population exceeding 7 billion, it is obvious the death rate is very low and will likely continue to drop now that the virus appears to be running its course.
It's looking like a lot of people in this country want to follow the mistakes made by many European nations in past history and are pining for the Fatherland. Been there done that and we don't need to go there again in this hemisphere.
Wow. Do you know people who have died of COVID-19? I do. Show some respect. It might be just a tingly cold for some people, but it is a killer for others.
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Originally Posted by Independentthinking83
It’s not fear mongering. The entire world is in this pandemic. I know that is hard for you to accept because it doesn’t fit your political narrative.
It’s a shame but many are going to lose their life and it could be prevented. And sadly this is falling on the healthcare workers that are already overwhelmed and burned out. But you lack decency and self respect so that is something you don’t get/understand . You need that first to identify the pain others go through.
It’s OK we are gonna get there. Just gonna lose a lot of people on the way. Many of whom align with your thinking.
Exactly! The nation is only 61.5% full vaccinated. It was the easiest decision I've ever made. I do know people who have died and quite a few who have been extremely ill. At this level of vaccination, and with foreign countries at low levels of vaccination, we are likely to see more variants down the road.
The comment above is true about healthcare workers. Many of them are getting fed up with the short staffing and the the exposure to unvaccinated people. I know because I hear the stories everyday from my wife who is a CRNP.
People whose jobs put them in contact with other people should be vaccinated. If you don't want to be vaccinated, find another job. I'm shocked that everyone in healthcare and education are still working without being fully vaccinated.
Such policies have been successfully implemented in Australia ...
Oh really? They shut down like crazy for years and killed their economy. Now it is time for them to pay for their foolishness. We all are getting this and with the new one that is going through the world faster than ever. Welcome to reality. If you are sickly, old or compromised get the jab. If you are young healthy and not obese like so many, just enjoy life as you should. This is the real advice that should be the rule. This is going to be here for YEARS if not decades. Get used to it.
Here is your Australia mess. All countries get their share. No one is off limits. Global is global. Thanks China for messing up the world for the next 10 years or so.
At least your CNN, NPR, MSNBC and the like will be cheering it on as they love it. They hate humans and hate themselves, so it is perfect for them and their listeners.
Forcing people to do something against their will usually results in resistance especially when it is purported to be in their own and society's best self interest. Therein lies the problem with trying to force everyone to take a medical treatment even if it can jeopardize their health by taking that treatment of if they have other reasons for not wising to take the shot. With the current 5.5 estimated world wide deaths attributed to Covid and a population exceeding 7 billion, it is obvious the death rate is very low and will likely continue to drop now that the virus appears to be running its course.
It's looking like a lot of people in this country want to follow the mistakes made by many European nations in past history and are pining for the Fatherland. Been there done that and we don't need to go there again in this hemisphere.
So you're saying that likely a million deaths in the U.S. based on excess loss calculations and not just 800,000 deaths reported is no big deal?
So you're saying millions more likely with long COVID, as documented in earlier threads, is no big deal? Long COVID sequelae may impact persons, including children, for life. Persons disabled by long COVID may leave the work force, or may be much less productive when trying to work. Children with long COVID may see their learning abilities impaired.
So you're saying unvaccinated Americans haven't greatly impaired the American health system, particularly the critical care system? Critical care nurses disagree:
<<As the situation escalates, nurses are leaving hospital settings or the profession altogether in record numbers. The sustained and extreme demands of caring for unvaccinated, hospitalized patients are taking their toll. A recent AACN survey of more than 6,000 acute and critical care nurses quantified the impact of the past 18 months on the profession:
92% of nurses surveyed said they believe the pandemic has depleted nurses at their hospitals and, as a result, their careers will be shorter than they intended
66% feel their experiences during the pandemic have caused them to consider leaving nursing
76% say that people who have yet to be vaccinated threaten nurses’ physical and mental well-being
67% believe taking care of patients with COVID-19 puts their own families’ health at risk>>
<<The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the health-care sector has lost nearly half a million workers since February 2020. Morning Consult, a survey research company, says that 18 percent of health-care workers have quit since the pandemic began, while 12 percent have been laid off.>>
We haven't even focused yet on the costs the unvaccinated have imposed on the Medicaid and Medicare systems or on Social Security and welfare systems. Who takes care of children who have lost their care givers and families that have lost their breadwinners?
Do the unvaccinated who end up in hospitals or become disabled deserve substantial assistance? Shouldn't the unvaccinated pay more medical insurance?
I wonder if the unvaccinated even know that health insurers no longer are waiving cost sharing for COVID patients?
How many of the unvaccinated are willing to pay for the actual direct costs resulting from their foolishness, whether the cost of medical treatment or the cost of welfare if they become disabled, perhaps at least through higher health insurance premiums? How many of them are even concerned about the costs they are imposing on the rest of society?
A bigger question is why do any politicians coddle, let alone encourage, vaccine hesitancy??? Don't tell me it's because of "liberty." How do you propose responsible Americans are freed from the responsibility of subsidizing fools?
Oh really? They shut down like crazy for years and killed their economy. Now it is time for them to pay for their foolishness. We all are getting this and with the new one that is going through the world faster than ever. Welcome to reality. If you are sickly, old or compromised get the jab. If you are young healthy and not obese like so many, just enjoy life as you should. This is the real advice that should be the rule. This is going to be here for YEARS if not decades. Get used to it.
Here is your Australia mess. All countries get their share. No one is off limits. Global is global. Thanks China for messing up the world for the next 10 years or so.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison is a Trump acolyte who, unlike Trump, yielded to scientists and battled the COVID epidemic with robust public health measures. His policies have raised Australian vaccination rates to levels far higher than in the U.S., so he now believes he can ditch the public health policies. Of course, he's ignoring that omicron defeats vaccination acquired immunity and that Australia's booster rate still is very low. If omicron is as virulent a virus as delta, he's going to inflict a health crisis on Australia that will perhaps doom his political future. Big gamble, but at least he spared Australia from Trump's COVID disaster.
Australia's economy has performed better than the U.S. They haven't loss substantial workers from their work force. Half of Australia has little COVID spread and has suffered minimal lockdowns. I've documented this repeatedly.
E.g., consider the relative labor participation rates of Australia and the U.S.
<<The decline came even as a lot more people went looking for work, pushing the participation rate up to 66.1% and back near pre-pandemic peaks.>>
Much of U.S. prosperity has been based on massive fiscal stimulus that is about to wane, even after triggering substantial inflationary pressures fed by a shrunken work force.
Where is the documentation for your fictional falsehoods?
Most importantly, here's how Australians feel about their science-based COVID policies as opposed to American partisan slipshod public health policies. Wouldn't you be thrilled if your death rate was about 3 percent of the rate in another country???
American scientists who caved under pressure from American politicians have paid the price, but to the lasting detriment of American society which has lost its respect for science.
Much of it does, hence it’s “The Mistake on the Lake”. So many dumpy areas and one of the highest murder rates in the country. One of the few good things about Cleveland is Lake Erie.
1) It's ridiculous to argue as do Republican attorney generals that OSHA shouldn't be able to mandate vaccines given the experience earlier in the epidemic such as in the meatpacking industry. The Trump administration ignored the waves of infections and deaths at meatpacking plants across the country until the situation became critical. Do you approve of a hands-off approach to workplace viral infections that could have been mitigated with more robust health policiies?
2) I totally agree with you that the U.S. should institute mandatory vaccine policies for all citizens subject to quarantine restrictions and heavy financial penalties for those who don't comply, if that is what you're arguing.
Such policies have been successfully implemented in Australia and are being employed in nations such as Austria to curb finally the COVID epidemic.
In your opinion it’s ridiculous, but always love the because Trump blame. Why did Dems continue with their goosechase through a pandemic and not endorse the vaccine until after the election?
I also recall because Trump wanting to close borders but Dems called him a racist meanie for it.
Except I don’t think all citizens should be mandated to get the vaccine so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
At least your CNN, NPR, MSNBC and the like will be cheering it on as they love it. They hate humans and hate themselves, so it is perfect for them and their listeners.
Your deluded libel indicates IMO a vast capacity for deceit.
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